Who should the Flames pick at 6th overall?

[pacde]

Brown
6'6" @225 lbs with skill and skating
you just dont find that
Love to see a Getzlaf type or Messier type player if at all possible
I realize NHLers are bigger and he will have to fight harder but you dont find many players with that kind of size that also have talent and hands... If I were picking it would be Logan Brown

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by New Era

And plays like he's 5'10 and 160 pounds. Flames don't need any more pretty players, they need some guys who will go to the dirty spots and score the dirty goals.

Or defencemen who can stop the opposition from going to the dirty spots and scoring dirty goals.

[greentree]

Originally Posted by driveway

Just how would we accomplish this feat? Jost and Brown are both lottery picks, right? Top-14? So, if we're taking one of those players, we're trading down but staying in the top-14. The only teams who we could conceivably trade with and accomplish this are Arizona (7 and 20) and Carolina (13 and 21).

There's no way Arizona is sending us pick 20 to move up one spot, and I don't think there's a player at 6 who Carolina is going to be drooling over so much that they'll send us 13 and 21.

You've sort of lost me. Been a long day in the hot sun. I think there are lots of ways to finagle mid picks especially if the Flames snag a late first via Dallas and are willing to part with that with one of their seconds etc. I don't know!

[kn]

I haven't seen Brown play but the descriptions sound eerily similar to how Colborne was described in his draft year - big centre with skill and soft hands - the next Joe Thornton!

I don't want to draft the next Joe Colborne or Brian Boyle at #6.

[jayswin]

big centre with skill = Joe Colborne. Every time folks!

[Calgary4LIfe]

Tough one to say for sure, since I have not seen all of these players yet,. and even then most of these I have only seen a couple of times.

Jost stands out to me and has really shot up my personal list. He is not undersized (6'0" according to hockeydb, and doesn't look either big or small when I see him play), is quick and has a non-stop motor, and can create offence himself (which is always important to me) and can both function as a very good playmaker and a very good finisher. He has everything you want in a player essentially. I voted him. He is a left-shot though, and I was really hoping the Flames would get a RHS, but it is what it is.

Nylander I still don't think the Flames are interested in him. He doesn't have that non-stop motor or that tenacity in his game. Highly skilled? Definitely! Good IQ? Definitely. Decent speed too. I just don't think he fits what Calgary has been wanting out of prospects lately.

Jost is what I am guessing the most "Bennett" like, or the most "Kyle Connor" like prospect left after Dubois, IMO.

Brown - now here is someone really interesting. 6'6" giant of a center with very good skills and good mobility? I can imagine as he fills out, he could turn into an absolute monster out there that would give even the western conference centers/defencemen fits when they try to contain him. He doesn't play with much physicality though. What he does really, really well, is shoot the puck from in-close. The way he gets the puck in the back of the net from where he does reminds me of Mathews actually. He is supposedly a very good playmaker - I haven't seen him too much, so I really can't say. If true, I can definitely see why Button is so high on him.

If he were to beef up and work on his agility, he could be a franchise-type player. The NHL has changed and allows for the smaller skilled players to shine. However, there is definitely one law that remains unbroken - Skill + Size trumps all. Brown from this standpoint really intrigues me, and though I liked what I saw from what I watched of him, I haven't watched him nearly enough to form an opinion on him.

Chychrun should have been my pick as I love his 'package', but I may be falling victim here to some of the possible over-analysis in his game. People complain that he makes bad decisions at times, or just other moments where he makes mistakes. However, IIRC, he plays WAY more minutes than Sergachev or Juolevi does, and has also had some injuries he was dealing with throughout the season. Knowing this, I think he may have jumped ahead of the other two defencemen on my list, though those 3 still remain rather tight for me.

I love Jones - but I absolutely hate him with the 6th overall pick.

Gauthier I would have picked 2 months ago - but there is an ever-louder contingent of scouts claiming he has poor IQ. I just keep thinking now "Rene Bourque 2.0" - and though Bourque was a very good player for the Flames for a few seasons, I would rather have a guy with a better brain out there. Outside of that, Gauthier is probably the most attractive player for the Flames outside of the top 3. Size? Skill? Physicality? RW? RHS? Fast? He literally checks everything off for the Flames, except the "High IQ" box. I haven't seen him enough either (and youtube videos can make lots of players - especially skilled ones - look like they should be drafted 1st overall and literally do nothing to show if a player has good or bad IQ - just look at Robbie Shremp). If there are that many scouts talking about it (as well as his inconsistent efforts apparently), then there must at least be some truth in it. Wouldn't mind if the Flames package up a 2nd with a first and move up to take him in the middle of the draft, but no way in heck do I hope the Flames snag him with the 6th.

I like Keller, but he is too small. It isn't because the Flames already have Gaudreau in the lineup. It is that the players on the team right now and in the system that you could say are 'top 6' players are big enough. Flames get outmatched by the bigger and more physical teams. Anaheim, LA and St. Louis just destroy us. Sure, having Keller in the lineup would probably help to create a bit more offence, but would it really close the gap there? If the Flames had some more physical 6'3"+ forwards in their top 6, I would perhaps jump all over the Keller hype train. 2 or 3 220lb forwards could really work with a Gaudreau + Keller when going up against these teams, but when the 'big' forwards in the top 6 are just average sized, I just don't think it would be wise.

McLeod I just hope the Flames stay totally away from. I like his speed. I love his non-stop motor. I just don't think he is going to be much of an offensive threat in the NHL. I see him as an awesome 3rd liner in the making that does a lot of heavy lifting and helps his teams win, but at the 6th spot, I want a lot more than that. I want an catalyst. I want a game-breaker. I want a core-player. I don't think McLeod will be that. I see Mike Fisher - very useful, but not a guy you draft at that spot.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by jayswin

big centre with skill = Joe Colborne. Every time folks!

Hugh "Huge Specimen" Jessiman.

[PistolPete]

I'd prefer us to pick a forward with size and skill as well. However Tkachuk and PLD might be gone by the 6th pick already. Hypothetically speaking, if we could get a replica of Johnny G at the 6th pick would we not pick him because of size? As much as I'd like us to land a power forward with skill can you imagine the predicament opposition coaches would be in if they had to face another Gaudreau on our 2nd line. I've heard Treliving lately say that skill/talent is number one criteria when it comes to draft picks. I wouldn't be surprised if he trades down and picks up Clayton Keller (whilst Burke resigns) - or maybe he does the exact opposite, picks up Brown as per your wish.

[Mister Yamoto]

Kailer Yamamoto

[iloveicedhockey]

I like Keller too but the organisation's need to get bigger and talk of the second 'ledge' suggests we won't trade down for him. If we could wrangle okposo and pribyl turns out to be a bargain, and if (medium if) janko comes good, the size thing would be less of an issue.

[AC]

I voted Nylander, based off almost 0 viewing experience of any of the options.

However, I'm excited regardless given Treliving's comments about their scouts seeing a grouping of 3 at the top (duh), then another group of 3. Means we're picking 1 of those guaranteed at #6.

I would think Dubois and Tkachuk are in that grouping based off all the rankings. But of course that's not guaranteed for any NHL teams.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Flames have another player rounding that group out though either, be it Brown, Jost, Keller, or whoever. I really don't care, I just want to be happy looking back like we obviously are with Monahan and Bennett!

[driveway]

Originally Posted by greentree

You've sort of lost me. Been a long day in the hot sun. I think there are lots of ways to finagle mid picks especially if the Flames snag a late first via Dallas and are willing to part with that with one of their seconds etc. I don't know!

ohhh... I get it, you meant get a pick in the middle rounds, not a middle first round pick. I thought you were talking about trying to get another 1st rounder by trading down from number 6.

[kirant]

Originally Posted by Mister Yamoto

Kailer Yamamoto

2017 pick.

Flames could attempt the same arguments the Panthers tried on Ovechkin though...Yamamoto might make the NHL playing age if you make adjustments for leap years.

Who knows what will happen.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Or defencemen who can stop the opposition from going to the dirty spots and scoring dirty goals.

And where is one of those in the first 20 picks? There sure isn't one in this draft.

[PistolPete]

It'll be interesting to see if Treliving and Benning become trading partners as they don't seem to have any qualms about being in the same division. If Van has their sights set on one of the d-men then maybe they trade down with the flames and pick up Janko as well, the ultimate prize...although I'm not sure I would be down with that, the Janko melodrama over the years has sapped plenty of energy out of me and it would be a shame to waste.

[activeStick]

I prefer a forward since that's what the Flames need right now but have zero issue picking the top rated defenceman if it happens to be that. Doesn't matter if the Flames have Hamilton, Brodie and Giordano, teams can never have too many Top 4 dmen...

[Flamescuprun2018]

I am still of the view that Nylander is the 6 in the 4-6 ledge Treliving talks about.

Nylander does not have the tenacity and work ethic of some other options but makes up for it in many other areas. I would like to learn more about his character.

OHL Rookie of the Year 2015-16 (although one year older than many past winners). In pretty special company: Previous winners of the award include Wayne Gretzky (Sault Ste. Marie, 1978), Joe Thornton (Sault Ste. Marie, 1996), Rick Nash (London, 2001), John Tavares (Oshawa, 2006), Patrick Kane (London 2007), Taylor Hall (Windsor, 2008), Aaron Ekblad (Barrie, 2012) and Connor McDavid (Erie, 2013).

Watched the OHL and WJC Nylander videos.

High end skill (watch the shootout moves) check
Speed and quickness check
Hockey IQ check
Lightning fast and accurate wrist shot check
Cannon for slapshot check
Right hand shot check

He would complement Bennett and Shinkaruk line well as the finisher on their cycle play.

Could also convert Johnny Hockey shots all day long.

Could play point on powerplay with that howitzer slapshot.

March 1998 birthday so in middle of draft year. 3 months younger than Tkachuk.

The right hand shot with high skill/IQ is too rare to pass up. He has multiple 30+ goal seasons in his career written all over him.

A good consolation prize in the sniper department compared to Laine. Not sure what happened in U18s.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by PistolPete

I'd prefer us to pick a forward with size and skill as well. However Tkachuk and PLD might be gone by the 6th pick already. Hypothetically speaking, if we could get a replica of Johnny G at the 6th pick would we not pick him because of size? As much as I'd like us to land a power forward with skill can you imagine the predicament opposition coaches would be in if they had to face another Gaudreau on our 2nd line. I've heard Treliving lately say that skill/talent is number one criteria when it comes to draft picks. I wouldn't be surprised if he trades down and picks up Clayton Keller (whilst Burke resigns) - or maybe he does the exact opposite, picks up Brown as per your wish.

You need balance on every line absolutely but personally, I would take our chances any day in our division with, I dunno, for example:

Gaudreau-Monahan-Backes
Gaudreau-Bennett-Frolik
Ferland*-Backlund-Colborne
Bouma-Stajan-Hathaway*

*assuming they can get to 8-10 goal scorer status.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by PistolPete

I'd prefer us to pick a forward with size and skill as well. However Tkachuk and PLD might be gone by the 6th pick already. Hypothetically speaking, if we could get a replica of Johnny G at the 6th pick would we not pick him because of size? As much as I'd like us to land a power forward with skill can you imagine the predicament opposition coaches would be in if they had to face another Gaudreau on our 2nd line.

That sounds all fine and dandy... but are there any 5'6 all-world-skill types in this draft? I don't think so.

The problem with that is we already have a wide range of undersized skill players. Andrew Mangiapane fits your description to a tee and he's already in the system.

Just too much risk trying to roll the dice on another player like that.

We very clearly need some size and jam to round the team out.

[Vinny01]

I get the feeling (maybe just hope) that Tkachuk falls to the Flames. I am not sure what the Oilers do if they trade that pick or draft a player. I think both the Oilers and Nucks have their eyes on Dubois. If Edmonton takes him there is a rumor Van goes for a Dman.

If Edmonton takes Tkachuk then the Flsmes will be "stuck" with Nylander