[News] Flames to pick 6th in 2016 draft

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

None of the top 5-6 players have a high bust potential. They are all pretty safe bets to play and contribute in the NHL

Disagree. I've never been high on Tkachuk for the very reasons I've previously posted on this page alone. And why I would send him back to London if the Flames took him in the draft. Like I said, if he owns the OHL next year without the other two from his line, then you look like the smartest guy in the room next year. But if he flops... well let's just say there's two sides to every coin. And I'll say the Top 3 don't have a high bust potential. After that, you're playing with fire saying otherwise.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by albertGQ

Burke contradicted himself then. Last night he said, outside the top 3, the players would need 2-3 years before making an impact.

I guess they can still make the team and be brought along slowly, but with his and Brad's stance on prospect development, I can see whoever we draft go back to junior for at least a year

How did he contradict himself? Making the team and making an impact are two very different things.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

You think Tkachuk would be as highly ranked in a deep top end as he is if his success was merely a product of his linemates? No, he wouldn't. Scouts are not stupid, they watch closely. The scouts have decided that Tkachuk is one of the top forwards in this draft outside the top 3 for good reason. They watch him and see that he generates offense and will do so at the NHL level. If there was concern he was a product of his linemates he'd be ranked much, much lower. Not to mention that they had the entire year before he played on London to judge him and he was considered a top prospect back then as well.

[OzSome]

It's kind of funny reading some of the trade rumours around here. Some of us just looking for the thrill of seeing a trade. Trading our first+Dallas pick to Winnipeg, Columbus, Edmonton or Vancouver. I definitely think none of these trades will happen even if the Flames adding another draft pick. The top 5 picks will not be traded except maybe Edmonton to a team who desperately wanted Matthew Tkachuk and that team is willing to dangle one of their top defenseman plus their first pick and maybe another player(draft or roster player). Toronto is sticking with the franchise player Matthews, Jets will also stick with Patrick Laine(another franchise player), Columbus will definitely not trade their pick as he could be another franchise player. Edmonton and Vancouver will not trade their first round draft pick to Calgary except if they have to dangle one of their top young defenseman TJ Brodie or Hamilton + 1st pick. Chances of that happening is... it will never happen. So, the Flames I think will just pray that the Oilers will draft somebody else other than one of Tkachuk, Dubois or Nylander. I think the Flames #1 priority is to draft Matthew Tkachuk but I don't think they will be disappointed if they landed Dubois or even Alex Nylander.
Tkachuk or Dubois can play on the first line with Monahan & Gaudreau. Second option is if Tkachuk get picked by Oilers or Canucks, they can play Dubois on either 1st or 2nd line. If those two gets picked and we ended up with Alex Nylander, I can see him playing with Sam Bennett instead. As for trading down, I think it is kind of dumb move. Not a lot of time that you have a chance to draft one of Tkachuk(who is a good power forward), Dubois and Nylander who are both skilled player who can play with Bennett to create a one-two lines tandem. Right now, we don't have the player who can consistently play on the top 2 lines. Colborne and Ferland can help but they are more into a 3rd line players. Frolik is a good two-way player but he is more suited in playing with Backlund, who is an awesome 3rd line player. Bouma, Hathaway, Jooris and others are more suited for the bottom 6 forwards. Maybe Prybil or Shinkaruk can be top 6 forwards but it way too soon to tell.
So I think the Flames will keep their first pick (#6 overall) and just pray they can land one of the 3. Maybe the Dallas pick or their 2nd pick, I can see them packaging to move up the draft especially if the player they are looking for is available. Or they can trade one of those picks for a couple of picks and move down. That's just my opinion..

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

You think Tkachuk would be as highly ranked in a deep top end as he is if his success was merely a product of his linemates? No, he wouldn't. Scouts are not stupid, they watch closely. The scouts have decided that Tkachuk is one of the top forwards in this draft outside the top 3 for good reason. They watch him and see that he generates offense and will do so at the NHL level. If there was concern he was a product of his linemates he'd be ranked much, much lower.

Let's hope so and its not the Nemisz effect.

[JJ1532]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Disagree. I've never been high on Tkachuk for the very reasons I've previously posted on this page alone. And why I would send him back to London if the Flames took him in the draft. Like I said, if he owns the OHL next year without the other two from his line, then you look like the smartest guy in the room next year. But if he flops... well let's just say there's two sides to every coin.

Are there any recent examples of players riding the coattails of better players and flopping the following season?

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

You think Tkachuk would be as highly ranked in a deep top end as he is if his success was merely a product of his linemates? No, he wouldn't. Scouts are not stupid, they watch closely. The scouts have decided that Tkachuk is one of the top forwards in this draft outside the top 3 for good reason. They watch him and see that he generates offense and will do so at the NHL level. If there was concern he was a product of his linemates he'd be ranked much, much lower.

Yes, I do think he would rank highly because of his line mates. Besides, shouldn't your argument be that if that was the case, thank god we have Gaudreau Bennett and Monahan for him to play with, because that makes much more sense to me as an argument.

Really, i appreciate the guys who work and watch games for draft guides. But I can form my very own thoughts and opinions and put their opinions into question freely.

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

Let's hope so and its not the Nemisz effect.

Nemisz was drafted 25th overall, so scouts were obviously aware that he wasn't the one stirring the drink in Jr hockey.

[flamesforcup]

Honestly i would much rather trade our pick straight up for drouin. No one available strikes me as an "elite" talent and drouin is on the skill level of this years top 3. He is proving it in the playoffs

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by JJ1532

Are there any recent examples of players riding the coattails of better players and flopping the following season?

Drouin possibly...though it looks like he may be figuring it out after the last 4 months worth of drama.

[Stats87]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

1 - Toronto - Matthews (can live with it)
2 - Winnipeg - Laine (ugh)
3 - Columbus - Puljujarvi or Dubois (can live with it)
4 - Edmonton - Chychrun (can live with it)
5 - Vancouver - Juolevi (can live with it)
6 - Dubois or Puljujarvi (not bad at all!)

Canucks will take Dubois if he is there at 5, that is a lock. If he is gone probably Juolevi, maybe Tkachuk

Oilers will try and trade their pick for a more seasoned defenseman. If they can't find the right deal, then they'll definitely pick a D.

[oldschoolcalgary]

i doubt puljujarvi slips past Columbus' finnish GM....

[JJ1532]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Drouin possibly...though it looks like he may be figuring it out after the last 4 months worth of drama.

No, that wasn't my question. Dammage is contending that Tkachuk is riding the coattails of Marner and Dvorak. I want to know of an example of just this, where a player put up huge numbers because he was playing with 1/2 great players in his junior team, but as soon as they left, he struggled.

[Ashasx]

Well, Patrick Kane certainly made Sam Gagner look better than he actually was.

[dissentowner]

Tkachuk is not riding anyone's coat tails. He is a very talented hockey player, especially as a playmaker. I don't think he is as talented as Nylander and I think Nylander has the 2nd best shot in the draft after Laine, thus why I have him higher ranked but I won't be upset if we take Tkachuk instead.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by JJ1532

No, that wasn't my question. Dammage is contending that Tkachuk is riding the coattails of Marner and Dvorak. I want to know of an example of just this, where a player put up huge numbers because he was playing with 1/2 great players in his junior team, but as soon as they left, he struggled.

Don't know if there is a historical relevance to this. Do I need to have one to feel the way I do about Tkachuk? How is the past relevant to his current situation? Pavel Brendl? His numbers are in that realm with the line mates he had.

[JJ1532]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Well, Patrick Kane certainly made Sam Gagner look better than he actually was.

If Tkachuk puts up 49 points in his rookie season, then remains a 40-50 point player for the next 3-4 years of his career, I'll more than take that given the position we are drafting in.

Would Gagner be the player he is now had he been drafted by any other organisation though?

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

i doubt puljujarvi slips past Columbus' finnish GM....

You can mortgage your house he won't get past Kekalainen.


Read this earlier today talking about the two Finns....

“Those kids are special players,” Blue Jackets general manager Jarmo Kekalainen said. “Big and skilled and fast. They’re early in their careers, but they have already played at a high level and had success in big tournaments.”

Laine and Puljujarvi starred at the world junior championships in January, when Finland won gold and Puljujarvi was named the tournament’s top forward. Laine was named MVP of Finnish league playoffs.

“I’ve never seen that from 17-, 18-year-olds,” Kekalainen said. “It doesn’t happen.”

Kekalainen said he has scouted Laine (pronounced “LINE-ay”) and Puljujarvi (pronounced “pull-YARV-ee”) “tons of times” in the last few seasons and that Blue Jackets scouts have filed “at least a hundred reports on each of them.”

“They’ve been on the radar a long time,” Kekalainen said.

http://bluejacketsxtra.dispatch.com/...ith-no--3.html

that's as close as you will find any GM telling you who they are going to select ahead of the draft other than 1st overall.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

The Oilers GM on Tkachuk

“He loves the front of the net, the traffic areas. He’s strong on the puck, protects it really well in hard areas,” said Chiarelli. “He’s not the same type of power player his dad was, but he’s one of the smartest players in the draft.”

http://edmontonjournal.com/sports/ho...nks-to-lottery

Flames love players with high hockey IQ and Tkachuk is consistently praised by scouts and GMs as being one of the smartest players in the draft. Combine that with his puck protection and willingness to drive the net and it seems like a great match.

[JohnnyT]

I think we'll get a really good player at 6 whether it is Dubois, Thachuk, Nylander, etc.

Honestly the best part about the draft lottery is that none of the top 3 are in the pacific and two are in the east. Could have gone much worse for the Flames.