[News] Flames to pick 6th in 2016 draft

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by fire_starter

I don't know if this was mentioned yet but do you think any of the "Second tier" players will have an immediate impact in the NHL?

If you go by Burkes comments made two days ago, they believe their top 8 can make the tam or at least be right in there until the last day of camp. So at the very least you can say the Flames believe there's more then just the top 3 who are NHL ready. Or Old Burkie is blowing smoke up peoples butts for giggles.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by Hockey

Canucks are taking either Dubois or Juolevi

Agreed. Benning is building net out followed by d and c. If Dubois is there he will take him but if not he will go with Juolevi. Can't see them picking tkachuk, but could see them slotting down a few spots to someone who could take him, maybe phx.

[Trailer Fire]

Originally Posted by Fire

The Flames need more skill in their top-6. Nylander fits that need the best.



Logan Brown makes me think of Chris Dingman and Tyson Jost makes me think of Kris Chucko. So stay away!

Except Chucko is 2-3 inches taller than Jost, and scored fewer points. Chucko had Zajac to play with.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by josef

http://flames.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=880939

4 mock-drafts from the flames-homepage

2times they pick tkachuk, 2 times nylander

Piries draft has us passing on Dubois and taking Nylander. Not gonna happen.

[Poe969]

I think the oil take one of the D and the nucks...well I think they'll just do something extremely dumb and the flames will have their pick of either Dubois or Tkachuck at 6. I think they'll end up with Dubois.

I would offer the jets all of this years picks for #2 or this years first(s) and second round picks and maybe even next years first too for #2.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by Trailer Fire

Except Chucko is 2-3 inches taller than Jost, and scored fewer points. Chucko had Zajac to play with.

Logan Brown is probably nick bjugstad more than Chris dingman, or Martin Hanzal with a higher ceiling. Bennett to wing and Brown in C would be quite alright.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

Logan Brown is probably nick bjugstad more than Chris dingman, or Martin Hanzal with a higher ceiling. Bennett to wing and Brown in C would be quite alright.

Really? From all I have read the biggest Bjugstad comparable in this draft is Riley Tufte (Tough-tee), both from Minn, both from the same HS, both huge and play similar games. Have read and watched comments on those who see Tufte the most saying he is Bjugstad but shoots left.

Don't know enough about Brown yet seing as he's just recently come out of nowhere to a lot of lists, but my initial information search says he's closer to Jumbo Joe than Bjugstad.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Really? From all I have read the biggest Bjugstad comparable in this draft is Riley Tufte (Tough-tee), both from Minn, both from the same HS, both huge and play similar games. Have read and watched comments on those who see Tufte the most saying he is Bjugstad but shoots left.

Don't know enough about Brown yet seing as he's just recently come out of nowhere to a lot of lists, but my initial information search says he's closer to Jumbo Joe than Bjugstad.

Just was saying brown is more talented than dingman and has substantially more upside than was indicated.

[fire_starter]

Originally Posted by dammage79

If you go by Burkes comments made two days ago, they believe their top 8 can make the tam or at least be right in there until the last day of camp. So at the very least you can say the Flames believe there's more then just the top 3 who are NHL ready. Or Old Burkie is blowing smoke up peoples butts for giggles.

According to Wiki, Tkachuk Dubois and Nylander are all ranked 1-3 for North American born players. So I mean you never know they could surprise.

[bzoo02]

I don't think I'd be ok with picking Brown this high. After watching that highlight package he seems to play like a less coordinated Joe Colborne.
His size is intriguing, but I think it would take years to get his speed and coordination to an NHL level.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by fire_starter

According to Wiki, Tkachuk Dubois and Nylander are all ranked 1-3 for North American born players. So I mean you never know they could surprise.

That's a ranking of players who play in North America, not players who were born in North America. Otherwise Matthews would be number 1.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by dammage79

The more I look at this draft, the more I want the Flames to trade down. They could get an extra 3rd or even 2nd round pick even dropping down to #8. COL desperately needs D men too so they might play the bidding game to get up and get either the pick of the D men litter of one of the last. I feel like they'd pay a pretty penny for Sergachev or Juolevi types.

The Flames already have 3 2nd round picks. Just pick the highest quality player remaining at 6. The first round pick doesn't need to play in the NHL this year, and it's probably better for our long term salary structure if he doesn't anyway.

[albertGQ]

Originally Posted by dammage79

If you go by Burkes comments made two days ago, they believe their top 8 can make the tam or at least be right in there until the last day of camp. So at the very least you can say the Flames believe there's more then just the top 3 who are NHL ready. Or Old Burkie is blowing smoke up peoples butts for giggles.

Burke contradicted himself then. Last night he said, outside the top 3, the players would need 2-3 years before making an impact.

I guess they can still make the team and be brought along slowly, but with his and Brad's stance on prospect development, I can see whoever we draft go back to junior for at least a year

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

The Flames already have 3 2nd round picks. Just pick the highest quality player remaining at 6. The first round pick doesn't need to play in the NHL this year, and it's probably better for our long term salary structure if he doesn't anyway.

That's right. They don't need this years player to be an immediate impact so trading down does make sense in any case.

Treliving is the preacher of bullets in the chamber. If you can get yet another 2nd you have more ammo to make a trade to address a need and still be able to pick more than once in the 2nd. If you can trade down and grab a player you really like, grab more assets to make a trade for a #1 goalie and still draft two more players in the 2nd, I'd do it 10 times out of ten. There's glorious opportunity here.

[djsFlames]

I doubt Tkachuk would be sent back to the OHL. He's well and far beyond good enough for that league. Another year would be useless in his case. With how well his particular game would translate to the bigger league, he'd have the most potential to make the jump next season.

I could see Dubois and Nylander getting another year of junior development, however.

Do the Flames factor NHL readiness into their decision, given the team's situation? The forwards at 4-8 seem to be on pretty equal footing, so I'd say yes. But their choice may already be made for them by 6.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Flames writers' Mock Drafts!:
http://flames.nhl.com/club/page.htm?id=112566

2x Tkachuk, 2x Nylander

Jason Pirie has us passing on Dubois for Nylander because of skating issues. Say what? Dubois skates just fine, poor research on that guy's part.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

I doubt Tkachuk would be sent back to the OHL. He's well and far beyond good enough for that league. Another year would be useless in his case. With how well his particular game would translate to the bigger league, he'd have the most potential to make the jump next season.

I could see Dubois and Nylander getting another year of junior development, however.

Do the Flames factor NHL readiness into their decision, given the team's situation? The forwards at 4-8 seem to be on pretty equal footing, so I'd say yes. But their choice may already be made for them by 6.

Personally, I want Tkachuk to go back to London next season. I'm really interested in seeing how inflated his stats were with Marner and Dvorak moving on to their respective pro careers. IMO, I feel like Dubois would be more NHL ready than Tkachuk.

Take Tkachuk away from those two players and you'll see how close he is to NHL ready. Not worried if he dominates the OHL next year, just means the gamble paid off taking him so high. I mean that too. Out of all the top 5 picks Tkchuk has the highest bust potential because of the team he played for.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Jason Pirie has us passing on Dubois for Nylander because of skating issues. Say what? Dubois skates just fine, poor research on that guy's part.

He's a random guy who got to do a mock. I think Hallett did last years or the year before. The other 3 though are pretty good at it, they've been doing the mock for 4 + years for the Flames site.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Kavvy

Sorry, this is probably already in this thread, but is it true this is considered a weak draft year?

Whom decides that and with what, wouldn't all the players be compared against each other so its hard to tell if they are more talented then previous years?

Scouts decide it by comparing crops.

This draft has a very strong top end. Not very deep after the 2nd

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Out of all the top 5 picks Tkchuk has the highest bust potential because of the team he played for.

None of the top 5-6 players have a high bust potential. They are all pretty safe bets to play and contribute in the NHL