CBC article on 2016 SURVEY OF MUSLIMS IN CANADA

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Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Actually no. There's this whole thing about 'render unto Caesar", which means secular authorities take precedence in secular matters. There is nothing comparable in Islamic countries. The Koran explicitly says not to place any earthly power above the will of Allah.

Pew research has all kinds of data on the subject.

The upshot is that in many Muslim countries, more than 75 per cent of people support making Sharia the law of the land. In the U.S., which is the most devoutly Christian country in the West, that number is in the low single-digits.

I don't think Canada is in danger of becoming a state that follows Sharia law. That's just dumb. But it's also dumb to pretend all religions are the same. That sort of equivocation is polite, but it's also delusional. A Hindu in India who turns his back on Hinduism and denounces the tenets of his faith does not risk state-sanctioned murder at the hands of devout countrymen. The same is not true in Saudi Arabia, Iraq, and Afghanistan. Even American Muslims who have publicly broken faith with Islam now need bodyguards day and night.

Right but we're talking about identity not authority. I think there's a difference. I remember being taught in Sunday school that love for God comes before love for everything else. Isn't this the general premise behind the story of Abraham? Maybe I just had a bad Sunday school teacher.

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The support for Shariah law might be largely a result of living in a unjust country with widespread corruption. Most Muslim countries are run by tyrants with the courts and state security apparatus suppressing the populace.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Right but we're talking about identity not authority. I think there's a difference. I remember being taught in Sunday school that love for God comes before love for everything else. Isn't this the general premise behind the story of Abraham? Maybe I just had a bad Sunday school teacher.

I think you are misinterpreting it. You went to an evangelical church?

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What do they say in the Marines? "God Country Core"? It's not really that different for Muslims. Unless someone else wants to make the obvious God Country ISIS joke here.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by peter12

I think you are misinterpreting it. You went to an evangelical church?

I can't remember because I went to a couple of different churches. My stepdad is a baptist and my mom is a member of the United church.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by rubecube

I can't remember because I went to a couple of different churches. My stepdad is a baptist and my mom is a member of the United church.

Two of the worst churches. My condolences.

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How is this news? Of course someone's religion comes before where they were born.

But why does it have to be a contest on what comes first? Pretty sure 99% of those respondents are proud to be Muslim Canadians.

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I'm not a member of any religion and I can still think of about 8 things I am before I'd say "I'm Canadian."

Good ole' Islamophobia.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I'm not a member of any religion and I can still think of about 8 things I am before I'd say "I'm Canadian."

Good ole' Islamophobia.

Really? As far as a national and political identity, I am extremely proud to be a Canadian. In fact, the entire point of a liberal democracy like Canada is that it should be the first thing you think about when identifying yourself because by its very nature it guarantees the right for you to identify yourself in any way you please.

So not Islamophobia.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by peter12

Really? As far as a national and political identity, I am extremely proud to be a Canadian. In fact, the entire point of a liberal democracy like Canada is that it should be the first thing you think about when identifying yourself because by its very nature it guarantees the right for you to identify yourself in any way you please.

So not Islamophobia.

Isn't the point of a democracy is that you can think what you want?

[peter12]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

Isn't the point of a democracy is that you can think what you want?

Whoosh.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by peter12

Two of the worst churches. My condolences.

Haha, it's all different sides of the same nonsense coin to me.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by peter12

Really? As far as a national and political identity, I am extremely proud to be a Canadian. In fact, the entire point of a liberal democracy like Canada is that it should be the first thing you think about when identifying yourself because by its very nature it guarantees the right for you to identify yourself in any way you please.

So not Islamophobia.

I actually really couldn't care less about being a Canadian for the most part.

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Originally Posted by rubecube

I actually really couldn't care less about being a Canadian for the most part.

I am extremely proud, but may view my be tainted as an immigrant.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by peter12

Really? As far as a national and political identity, I am extremely proud to be a Canadian. In fact, the entire point of a liberal democracy like Canada is that it should be the first thing you think about when identifying yourself because by its very nature it guarantees the right for you to identify yourself in any way you please.

So not Islamophobia.

I'm happy for you.

But when someone says "I don't know how I feel about the way these Muslims think, we should keep an eye on them," that's islamophobia.

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Originally Posted by CroFlames

I'm sure the numbers for Christianity would be the same or more. For Christians, God comes before king & country (heh).

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/gren...nics-1.3551591

I was actually surprised to see that it was quite a difference for religious non-Muslims.

But among respondents who said both were very important to their identity, 50 per cent chose their religion as being most important (27 per cent said both were equally important). By comparison, just 28 per cent of religious non-Muslim Canadians chose their religion over their nationality.

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

But why does it have to be a contest on what comes first? Pretty sure 99% of those respondents are proud to be Muslim Canadians.

Only 83% are! But that's 10 percent more than the rest of Canada.

The survey found that 83 per cent of Muslims reported being "very proud" to be Canadian, an increase of 10 points since 2006. This was in contrast to non-Muslim Canadians — only 73 per cent of whom said they were "very proud" to be Canadian.

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I like to think the people who aren't proud to be Canadian live in their own little bubble. Canada is awesome and the fact that 83% of Muslims agree is also awesome.

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Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Pew research has all kinds of data on the subject.

The upshot is that in many Muslim countries, more than 75 per cent of people support making Sharia the law of the land. In the U.S., which is the most devoutly Christian country in the West, that number is in the low single-digits.

This is why I just don't care about the poll results in the OP. Would be much more alarmed to see these sorts of questions (role of religion in government, station of women in society and in marriage, treatment of homosexuals, treatment of adulterers, treatment of apostates) answered in a similar way to many of the response rates you see in some other countries. Those are the questions that matter on this topic.

For example, if you had 69% say that women should always obey their husbands (as is the case with Russian respondents here) or that 52% say that homosexuality should be outlawed (as was the case for UK respondents here), that would be quite troublesome.

Whether people choose to strongly identify with their faith, as opposed to their nationality, is a personal choice they should always be absolutely free to make.

[Looch City]

I think there's also a difference between being a Muslim in Canada vs. UK/Europe.

Things seem a bit more crazy across the ocean...