Dan Boyle goes off on Larry Brooks

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

The idea that a player can refuse to talk to a reporter or ask that a reporter be removed - is not something that other members of the media would be fans of, regardless of how they feel about Brooks and his work.
Poor 'ol Stan Fischler looked pretty uncomfortable.

Yeah yeah, the "respected by his peers" was a joke on how Boyle said "at least I'm still respected by my teammates" like that really matters and we really don't know if that's the case.

[rohara66]

And an article that Brooks wrote after game 3 this season....

http://nypost.com/2015/10/11/rangers...an-boyle-flop/

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by rohara66

And an article that Brooks wrote after game 3 this season....

http://nypost.com/2015/10/11/rangers...an-boyle-flop/

Seems like he hit the nail right on the head.

[PepsiFree]

For those looking for a bit of context, @AdamZHerman has some interesting takes. A member of the media who seems to be on Boyle's side (all quotes from his Twitter):

I don't blame Boyle. He went through an extremely difficult family situation this season & many writers trashed him without referencing it.

Meanwhile, they lined up to make excuses for Girardi, who was far worse. I'd be pissed too.

Again, a respected non-NYR writer told me early in the season that beat writers were biased against Boyle b/c he's not a good quote.

If you think writers don't let these kinds of things influence how critical they are of players you're awfully naive.

You're free to think Boyle is an ass. But it's blatantly obvious this personal issue bled into reporting. Journalism malpractice.

Dan Boyle is 18th among NHL defensemen in Goals-Per-Game since joining the Rangers (Minimum 100 games). #UnmitigatedDisaster

[JiriHrdina]

A few points about that
- I would think that as a player I would not want any reporter addressing a difficult situation, including using it as some sort of reason for poor play. Family should always be left out of it
- Adam Herman appears to be a blogger, which means he likely has a different POV
- If Herman does view himself as a member of the media, accusing someone else of Journalism malpractice is dangerous ground. Very dangerous.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by rohara66

And an article that Brooks wrote after game 3 this season....

http://nypost.com/2015/10/11/rangers...an-boyle-flop/

Don't see anything wrong with what was written here.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

For those looking for a bit of context, @AdamZHerman has some interesting takes. A member of the media who seems to be on Boyle's side (all quotes from his Twitter):

Isn't Adam Herman a blogger? That's not being a member of the media.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by rohara66

And an article that Brooks wrote after game 3 this season....

http://nypost.com/2015/10/11/rangers...an-boyle-flop/

The related stories at the bottom of the article are like TMZ headlines.

[devo22]

the way I see it, Boyle's stint with the Rangers and probably his NHL career as a whole came to a disappointing end, and Boyle was obviously aware of that and extremely emotional as a result. Given his reaction, I think it's safe to say that he and Brooks didn't have a good working relationship with each other, and I wouldn't be surprised if this went deeper than the quoted articles in this thread. These guys deal with each other on a daily basis and Brooks has been yelled at before ... it's obvious that he's very unpopular at least in parts of the Rangers dressing room. So with all this in mind, I can understand if Boyle doesn't want to talk to Brooks in that moment. Does he have the right to refuse to talk to this particular writer? In a perfect world yeah, but the media doesn't work that way. It's easy to call Boyle unprofessional or something like that, but I understand his reaction.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

Isn't Adam Herman a blogger? That's not being a member of the media.

Welcome to 2016. It 100% is.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Welcome to 2016. It 100% is.

No it really isn't. I can make a blog, you can make a blog, your dog can have a blog, it doesn't make you a member of the media and you portraying him as a member of the media just to support your position is a joke.

I have a hockey blog as well I guess that makes my opinion of the same value as an actual journalist who went to school?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

No it really isn't. I can make a blog, you can make a blog, your dog can have a blog, it doesn't make you a member of the media and you portraying him as a member of the media just to support your position is a joke.



I have a hockey blog as well I guess that makes my opinion of the same value as an actual journalist who went to school?

Uh, I'm not using it to support any position. It's just a fact.

If you really think there's no difference between a sponsored blog that has media access and the one you made in your basement about which hockey players look better with beards, then you are severely out of touch. I, however, am 100% confident you know the difference.

[mikeecho]

It's easy to say that Boyle is a professional athlete and should have some thick skin when it comes to criticism. They're celebrities and it comes with the territory.

On the flip side however, many media types (Brooks, Francis, Botchford and dozens more) have spent considerable time and effort working to elevate their profiles to that of celebrities. They're loud mouthed, attention seeking, inflammatory and never too shy to share their 'opinion' as fact (they disguise themselves as journalists) when in reality they're really nothing more than biased editorialists.

Now that they have the notariety and celebrity they have been seeking in their profession, they should get some thick skin (which many don't) and be prepared to face criticism from readers or players. They do a great job of insulating themselves from readers by blocking people on the various forms of social media (and complaining about the keyboard warriors) but in this case one of them had to face the music for being a keyboard warrior.

Did Boyle handle it the best way... probably not, but as a guy leaving the game behind, I suspect he took one for the team and expressed feelings shared by his teammates who can't/won't do it while they are still playing.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Uh, I'm not using it to support any position. It's just a fact.

If you really think there's no difference between a sponsored blog that has media access and the one you made in your basement about which hockey players look better with beards, then you are severely out of touch. I, however, am 100% confident you know the difference.

No it's not a "fact".

A sponsored blog or a sponsored web site where he posts his blogs? Because this site is sponsored as well and I could post a blog here too.

You tried to make your point more believable by saying "a member of the media is on Boyles side" and it back fired. Nobody cares if Adam Herman, a basement blogger is on Boyle's side.

Get back to me when a respected media member like Friedman agrees with what Boyle did.

[rohara66]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Don't see anything wrong with what was written here.

I grabbed a couple quotes from that article. IMO stuff like this after the first 3 games of the season is a little harsh.... which Brooks even agrees to here:

It is generally absurd to draw conclusions based on a three-game sample, even more so when they are the first three games of the season. But it is not only three games — three deficient games — from Boyle. It is three games this year plus all of last season, in which No. 22 has been consistently dreadful in his own end and far less than advertised as a puck-mover.

And then Brooks notes that Boyle isn't being publically accountable (whatever the hell that mean) here:

Boyle, publicly one of the least accountable players to come down the pike here in a while

And then he points out that Boyle should voluntarily leave? Again WTF?

This means that unless he volunteers to go, and unless there is a team out there willing to take the righty defenseman, Boyle’s $4.5M cap hit will be on the books for the remainder of the season

And then personal attack #1.

Boyle is a stubborn guy.

Questioning is Boyle is part of the team... personal attack #2.

On a team in which everyone is a part of it, somehow Boyle seems apart from it

I'd bet money that this article set the tone for the interaction Brooks and Boyle had all season. And if I was Boyle I wouldn't want any part of speaking with that hack of a writer either.

[Jay Random]

Sorry, calgaryblood, your 20th-century credentialism doesn’t actually give you a valid point. Large media companies themselves run blogs – and they are routinely beaten at that game by independent bloggers. Many bloggers have journalistic credentials themselves, for what little that is worth any longer (and it never was worth much). Many more don’t. But there is no hard line you can draw between ‘media’ and ‘bloggers’, and your attempted sneer about ‘basement bloggers’ just shows that you're about 15 years out of touch.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Sorry, calgaryblood, your 20th-century credentialism doesn’t actually give you a valid point. Large media companies themselves run blogs – and they are routinely beaten at that game by independent bloggers. Many bloggers have journalistic credentials themselves, for what little that is worth any longer (and it never was worth much). Many more don’t. But there is no hard line you can draw between ‘media’ and ‘bloggers’, and your attempted sneer about ‘basement bloggers’ just shows that you're about 15 years out of touch.

As long as I'm considered a media member as well I'm on board.

[dino7c]

Why would anyone want to play in a big hockey market?

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Why would anyone want to play in a big hockey market?

Chicks.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

No it's not a "fact".



A sponsored blog or a sponsored web site where he posts his blogs? Because this site is sponsored as well and I could post a blog here too.



You tried to make your point more believable by saying "a member of the media is on Boyles side" and it back fired. Nobody cares if Adam Herman, a basement blogger is on Boyle's side.



Get back to me when a respected media member like Friedman agrees with what Boyle did.

I will page you when my dial-up loads the information.

Wait, what year are we in?