2016 NHL Draft

[Da_Chief]

Take the BPA on their list doesn't matter if its a dman or a winger or a center. I'm sure they'll make the right call.

[Poe969]

I wonder if there is any chance to move up and grab a mid first to get Gauthier. His play has dropped off but he's a big RW who has a great shot. He's one player I'd love to make a move to get if possible.

[Par]

Originally Posted by JJ1532

The issue I have is, Boston gives up a top goaltender(probably one of the top 10 in the league) and al they get in return is a top 5/6 pick. Wideman is a 3rd pairing guy on a bad contract and Ortio is barely even an NHL backup at the moment.

After 2 years of not making the play offs, they will likely go all out to make it next season. Sweeney misses 2 years in a row and he'll be gone, Julien the same(3 years in a row for him) if he's even in charge come next April. They aren't making the play offs by trading Rask and picking up Wideman and Ortio. With their defence undergoing a transition, they will need Rask more than ever next season. I don't think they move him under any circumstances. I think if you ask Sweeney for Rask, he demands Bennett(or another top Flames roster player) in return.

The reason I made this trade proposal was because I watching TSN Hockey show and they were talking about New York Rangers and how their opportunity window to win a Stanley Cup has closed and the guy said the same for Boston.

[DJones]

Ricardo???

But no, we are not trading Bennett.

[JJ1532]

The defenceman and the order they go in are going to be fascinating. Chychrun probably won't go in the top 5 and looks like he won't even be the first d-man off the board.

Interesting to see Charlie McAvoy is ranked at 14. If Boston's list has him pegged the same, do they take him with him being a New York native attending Boston college? Does that affect their decision?

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Par

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Ok, I figured out who Par is.

[Par]

Originally Posted by Poe969

Adding a top 3 pick would move any team forward a few steps but trading away a kid like 19 year old Sam Bennett (I think we always have to say his age first) would be taking a step backwards. Bennett is the kind of player that teams want to draft in the top 3, he's one of the reasons the Flames future looks bright.

Fully agree with this, hopefully we luck out and land a top 3 pick, I was at work and I think I got a sign that we will pick in top three, I normally bring one Qaker
Oat meal box to work but couple of days ago, somehow I had three in my lunch box and I ate all three and I took that as a sign from Jesus and the Hockey Gods that we will get a top 3 pick.

[Par]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Ok, I figured out who Par is.

I am not that good looking though LOL.

[SuperMatt18]

If somebody like Chychrun falls into the 12-15 range I wonder what it costs to move up.

Dallas 1st + Flames 2nd + ???

Would 27 and 35 get you a pick in the 12-15 range?

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Par

I am not that good looking though LOL.

I will take your word on it. Just having some fun.

[Par]

Originally Posted by JJ1532

The defenceman and the order they go in are going to be fascinating. Chychrun probably won't go in the top 5 and looks like he won't even be the first d-man off the board.

Interesting to see Charlie McAvoy is ranked at 14. If Boston's list has him pegged the same, do they take him with him being a New York native attending Boston college? Does that affect their decision?

It is shocking how far Chychrun, has fallen, at the start of the year some had him in the top 5.

[Bingo]

That McKenzie article just makes me nervous ....

highlights the 6th vs 7th spot issue facing the Flames on lottery day.

however I'm glad to see a lot of confusion from 7 and on.

[Par]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I will take your word on it. Just having some fun.

No problem

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Bingo

That McKenzie article just makes me nervous ....

highlights the 6th vs 7th spot issue facing the Flames on lottery day.

however I'm glad to see a lot of confusion from 7 and on.

You are assuming the top 6 forwards all go in the top 6 though.

There will be a team in the top 6 that are intrigued by a d-man. Especially when the ratings of the scouts are so wide spread - lots of the scouts had a d-man in their top 5 - it's just that on average they were 6,7,8. All it takes is one teams list to have the d-man in the 4-6 range.

Could see both Vancouver and Edmonton going that route if they aren't in the top 3 which would alter things drastically.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

You are assuming the top 6 forwards all go in the top 6 though.

There will be a team in the top 6 that are intrigued by a d-man. Especially when the ratings of the scouts are so wide spread - lots of the scouts had a d-man in their top 5 - it's just that on average they were 6,7,8. All it takes is one teams list to have the d-man in the 4-6 range.

Could see both Vancouver and Edmonton going that route if they aren't in the top 3 which would alter things drastically.

Agree on Edmonton and Vancouver

but don't see Toronto or Columbus going that route. If both rivals get lottery picks the Flames may see the top 5 forwards gone.

[Par]

If the Flames don't get a top 3 pick, then I would love for them to get Olli Juolevi, this guy is going to be good and I have a strong feeling, if Flames are not in the top three it is going to be Olli Juolevi, that the Flames draft.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

If somebody like Chychrun falls into the 12-15 range I wonder what it costs to move up.

Dallas 1st + Flames 2nd + ???

Would 27 and 35 get you a pick in the 12-15 range?

If Dallas' pick is a 1st rounder, it's going to be turned into a goalie. At least I hope it would be.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Par

If the Flames don't get a top 3 pick, then I would love for them to get Olli Juolevi, this guy is going to be good and I have a strong feeling, if Flames are not in the top three it is going to be Olli Juolevi, that the Flames draft.

Juolevi is a bit redundant in our system. Average sized puck moving left shot non-physical D with an average shot? That's basically a poor man's Brodie, and what Kylington, Kulak, even Culkin project as. Hamilton, Andersson, Hickey, Giordano, and even Sieloff/Wotherspoon are also guys who contribute to a tough-out for Juolevi.

If we didn't have Kylington, Juolevi would make a lot more sense. If we did take a D, Sergachyev seems to better address systemic weaknesses with his superior size and booming shot to go with great skating. But I really don't want to take a D so early in the draft due to the sheer unpredictability of the developmental nature of the position. You're as likely to get a Zach Bogosian in Juolevi as you are a Duncan Keith in a Luke Green. None of the D this year appear to be a Doughty or Ekblad type immediate contributor talent.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

If somebody like Chychrun falls into the 12-15 range I wonder what it costs to move up.

Dallas 1st + Flames 2nd + ???

Would 27 and 35 get you a pick in the 12-15 range?

Doubtful. I'd say that gets you to the low 20s. High teens max.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by JJ1532

The defenceman and the order they go in are going to be fascinating. Chychrun probably won't go in the top 5 and looks like he won't even be the first d-man off the board.

Actually he may very well still be the first d-man taken. But Mackenzie's article had a lot of interesting tidbits on the d-men and like I was suggesting previously it looks like there is consensus on the d-man at all and where they go will depend on which team loves them.

http://www.tsn.ca/laine-closes-gap-o...kings-1.478128

"Chychrun was the only defenceman to be ranked in anyone's top four prospects. One scout had him at No. 4 overall. But only four of the 10 scouts surveyed had him in their Top 10; six had him ranked 11th or lower. Worth noting, though, is that of the four scouts who ranked Chychrun in the Top 10, all four viewed him as the best defenceman in the draft."

Here we can already see the volatility in the rankings. Chychrun is the best d-man for 4 of the scouts Bob talked to but isn't in the top 10 for 6 of the scouts?!? Wow. So he could still go top 5-6 if one of the teams that likes him is picking there or he could drop out of the top 10 like Cam Fowler did (that is Craig Button's latest comparable for Chychrun in terms of playing style.)

"In contrast, Juolevi’s highest rank was No. 5 overall, but nine of 10 scouts had him in their top 10. Two scouts had him ranked as the top D-man in the draft."

So only 2 scouts think Juolevi is best but he's consistently ranked in the top 10.

"Sergachev’s highest rank was No. 6; seven of 10 scouts had him in their Top 10 but only two ranked him as the top defenceman in the draft."

So 2 scouts think Sergachev is best but only 7 of 10 had him in the top 10. Interesting.

"Bean got two votes in the top 10 and McAvoy only one; Bean was viewed as the top defenceman in the draft by one scout."

Bean viewed as the top defenseman by one scout, very interesting.

"Penticton Vees' defenceman Dante Fabbro, who played for Canada at the World U-18 Championship in Grand Forks, didn't quite make the cut for TSN's Top 15, but he did get one vote in the Top 10 (No. 5) and was deemed the top defenceman by that one scout. It’s another good example of the divergence of opinion on this year's blueline prospect pool."

So Fabbro ranked #5 by one scout and is the top ranked blue liner for that scout? Wow.

Okay see this basically backs my point up from earlier this thread that the defensemen are the real wildcards here and really could go anywhere. Zero consensus on the defensemen at all. Any of Chychrun, Juolevi, Sergachev, Bean or Fabbro could go as the 1st d-man taken. Any of those guys could go top 6 IMO in the right circumstance. Maybe a defensemen doesn't go top 7 in certain scenarios. Maybe two of them go top 7. It's all going to boil down to the draft order and those teams in the 4-6 area and who they love.