A Game of Thrones **BOOKS OFF LIMITS** v2

[Azure]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

FWIW the gem in the necklace started to glow red briefly as she took it off.

Also really don't see the point of the Dorne story line and the Sand Vipers at this time. Hopefully there is a payoff plot wise soon.

The writers still have the same problem they had in all the other seasons. Random subplot that don't advance the storyline very well.

At some point you have to accept its a bloody TV show and not a book.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by FlameOn

The Sand Snakes make the episode almost unbearable. Oberyn was "butchered" in their words when he was really killed by his own overconfidence and stupidity. Elleria expects Doran to do what exactly? Immediately go to war against the crown? Murder Mycella in cold blood when Oberyn says that's exactly what people in Dorne wouldn't do? Apparently that's what the Sand Snakes want.

Aero Hotah gets killed in the back by fricking little girl with zero effort whatsoever after building him up to be such a badass last season... We also see sworn royal guardsmen are willing to just let Elleria kill the Prince because he didn't swear to kill the closest Lannister immediately in retaliation? Did we see any unrest in Dorne at all?

The whole scene is just so stupidly lazy. It's just so jarringly bad compared to the rest of the plot lines running right now.

It is even worse considering they are constantly leaving out Bran in order to advance the Sand Snakes storyline. But I've been saying that since season 1. For some reason the writers see the need to write the story as if they are writing a book.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Maritime Q-Scout

In terms of the Sandanakes, I find it wholeheartedly believable that Elleria is making irrational decisions based purely on emotion and not logic.

Everything you said was true. But a broken hearted love of Obryn, who feels the need for revenge isn't letting cooler heads prevail.

In terms of the guards, Elleria said something along the lines of "you don't even recognize your own men" I took that to mean the guards were plants/imposters.

As for Aero Hotah, stabbed in the back is stabbed in the back. How much of a fight did Jamie put up when he lost his hand? Not all the great warriors go down in battle.

The Sandanakes are saying one thing (respect, honour) but doing another. While that's frustrating to watch as a viewer because TV 'rules' don't allow for it; that's possibly the most realistic part of the show.

I pray you, not anyone else on this board ever has to work for/with an Elleria, they're the worst. I'll take plain mean arsehole over the randomness, do as I say not as I do, and sociopathy.

Wasn't it obvious what would happen when he turned his back on the other girl? So predictable.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Azure

The writers still have the same problem they had in all the other seasons. Random subplot that don't advance the storyline very well.

At some point you have to accept its a bloody TV show and not a book.

Well how can you tell if a story line has a point until it reaches its conclusion or at least has developed for longer than 1 episode? Do you want them to tell you up front? Maybe they can flash HEY EVERYONE ELLERIA WILL BE THE NEW QUEEN AT THE END OF THE SEASON!!! across the bottom of the screen so that we know the point.

What would be the point of having an actual story if you already knew everything?

Originally Posted by Azure

It is even worse considering they are constantly leaving out Bran in order to advance the Sand Snakes storyline. But I've been saying that since season 1. For some reason the writers see the need to write the story as if they are writing a book.

So what exactly is the point of Bran's storyline? Seems to me a lot of people have been complaining about his pointless story for 5 seasons now.

Originally Posted by Azure

Wasn't it obvious what would happen when he turned his back on the other girl? So predictable.

Are you confusing Trystane with the Prince Doran's bodyguard? The scene with the Trystane was predictable but I don't think it was supposed to be a mystery. We knew they were there to kill him.

The scene with Doran, you knew they were gonna assassinate him? Well you're obviously ahead of the game because pretty much no one knew they'd assassinate the head of dorne in the first episode.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Well how can you tell if a story line has a point until it reaches its conclusion or at least has developed for longer than 1 episode? Do you want them to tell you up front? Maybe they can flash HEY EVERYONE ELLERIA WILL BE THE NEW QUEEN AT THE END OF THE SEASON!!! across the bottom of the screen so that we know the point.

What would be the point of having an actual story if you already knew everything?



So what exactly is the point of Bran's storyline? Seems to me a lot of people have been complaining about his pointless story for 5 seasons now.



Are you confusing Trystane with the Prince Doran's bodyguard? The scene with the Trystane was predictable but I don't think it was supposed to be a mystery. We knew they were there to kill him.

The scene with Doran, you knew they were gonna assassinate him? Well you're obviously ahead of the game because pretty much no one knew they'd assassinate the head of dorne in the first episode.

The main issue with the Sans is that it's very unlikely that story plays any major role in the main plot.

The Martel's only major role prior to the end of season 5 was to babysit Myrcella. Now the Sand snakes just seem like an easy target for Cercei/Jaime to act as stepping stones while they get their groove back.

It's just kind of lame and predictable. With their being zero change of any of the Sand snakes vying for power, which is what the show is about, why is so much screen time being given to them?

Totally different than Bran, who is a member of a major house and developing super powers. Bran is likely to play a major part in the way the main plot unfolds. The Sans are not.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by blankall

The main issue with the Sans is that it's very unlikely that story plays any major role in the main plot.

The Martel's only major role prior to the end of season 5 was to babysit Myrcella. Now the Sand snakes just seem like an easy target for Cercei/Jaime to act as stepping stones while they get their groove back.

It's just kind of lame and predictable. With their being zero change of any of the Sand snakes vying for power, which is what the show is about, why is so much screen time being given to them?

Totally different than Bran, who is a member of a major house and developing super powers. Bran is likely to play a major part in the way the main plot unfolds. The Sans are not.

If King's Landing (Lannisters) go to war with Dorne, which seems like a safe prediction at this point, I'd say that's a pretty big revalation.

We may not see the throne as a huge piece anymore because we know about the other threats, whitewalkers, dragons etc, but for everyone south of the neck it is the be all end all.

The Tyrells have their only two children in custody, one of which is the queen, their head of house Mace Tyrell is who knows where (where is that guy? Still in Braavos? Still negotiating with the Iron Bank? Is he wondering where Maryn Trant is?).

What other houses can compete for the crown and have as few casualties in their army as Dorne? They've been pretty much untouched by the war of the five kings. Who will defend King's Landing from a coup if Elleria brings in an army?

I'd say the potential Lannister/Martell rivalry for this season looks quite promising.

[neo45]

Another complaint about the laughing stock that is The Dorne storyline is that this coup seems to 100 percent betray the morals of Oberyn, who was written/developed/acted as well as any character on the show.

He chooses to fight the Mountain lawfully but his followers have no problem killing the king, the prince, and the princess at the drop of a hat?

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

If King's Landing (Lannisters) go to war with Dorne, which seems like a safe prediction at this point, I'd say that's a pretty big revalation.

We may not see the throne as a huge piece anymore because we know about the other threats, whitewalkers, dragons etc, but for everyone south of the neck it is the be all end all.

The Tyrells have their only two children in custody, one of which is the queen, their head of house Mace Tyrell is who knows where (where is that guy? Still in Braavos? Still negotiating with the Iron Bank? Is he wondering where Maryn Trant is?).

What other houses can compete for the crown and have as few casualties in their army as Dorne? They've been pretty much untouched by the war of the five kings. Who will defend King's Landing from a coup if Elleria brings in an army?

I'd say the potential Lannister/Martell rivalry for this season looks quite promising.

You're being facetious at this point, but Dorne can no longer compete for the throne in any way.

They don't have a big army. They are known for being relatively isolationist and using guerrilla tactics. They had ties to the old Targaryen dynasty, but those have been totally wiped out now.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by blankall

You're being facetious at this point, but Dorne can no longer compete for the throne in any way.

They don't have a big army. They are known for being relatively isolationist and using guerrilla tactics. They had ties to the old Targaryen dynasty, but those have been totally wiped out now.

No I'm serious. Also, source?

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Well how can you tell if a story line has a point until it reaches its conclusion or at least has developed for longer than 1 episode? Do you want them to tell you up front? Maybe they can flash HEY EVERYONE ELLERIA WILL BE THE NEW QUEEN AT THE END OF THE SEASON!!! across the bottom of the screen so that we know the point.

What would be the point of having an actual story if you already knew everything?


So what exactly is the point of Bran's storyline? Seems to me a lot of people have been complaining about his pointless story for 5 seasons now.

Are you confusing Trystane with the Prince Doran's bodyguard? The scene with the Trystane was predictable but I don't think it was supposed to be a mystery. We knew they were there to kill him.

The scene with Doran, you knew they were gonna assassinate him? Well you're obviously ahead of the game because pretty much no one knew they'd assassinate the head of dorne in the first episode.

I am talking about the scene with the Sand Snakes. Predictable and does nothing to advance the plot. Sure it might be PART of the overall story, but its pretty obvious that Bran plays a much bigger role and we haven't heard from him in over a season.

My complaint has always been that the writers feel the need to advance non-important sub plots while not giving much screen time to more important characters that are more involved in the major plots or storylines.

Nice to see other people see that too.

[Azure]

Personally I think its pretty obvious what will happen in the end in a general sense, but the way we get there isn't as obvious.

In other words, Jon Snow won't actually be dead and Bran will play a major role in that. Even the story around Sansa was bloody obvious to a point.

If I'm reading a book I care about all the finer details, but I'm not reading a book. Just like LOTR had to dedicate screen time to the major plots, the writers here need to learn to do that too.

But hey, still a great show and I loved the 1st episode.

[Nyah]

I like the Dorne/Sand Snakes story line. Those bitches are crazy. Bran on the other hand...I get that he's probably leveling up in some way right now which is fine, but I've rather enjoyed having a season off from him.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Azure

I am talking about the scene with the Sand Snakes. Predictable and does nothing to advance the plot. Sure it might be PART of the overall story, but its pretty obvious that Bran plays a much bigger role and we haven't heard from him in over a season.

My complaint has always been that the writers feel the need to advance non-important sub plots while not giving much screen time to more important characters that are more involved in the major plots or storylines.

Nice to see other people see that too.

Again, how do you know which are important and which aren't? You and a few others are treating your opinions as to which storylines you like, a totally valid point btw, as some sort of evaluation of the important storylines. And as evidenced by neo a few posts ago the complaints are getting more out there by the day.

You not liking a story or character does not make them unimportant.

[Arsenal14]

Originally Posted by Azure

Personally I think its pretty obvious what will happen in the end in a general sense, but the way we get there isn't as obvious.

In other words, Jon Snow won't actually be dead and Bran will play a major role in that. Even the story around Sansa was bloody obvious to a point.

If I'm reading a book I care about all the finer details, but I'm not reading a book. Just like LOTR had to dedicate screen time to the major plots, the writers here need to learn to do that too.

But hey, still a great show and I loved the 1st episode.

Just so I don't waste my time, could you please provide a list of which plotlines are important and which aren't?

A partial list of unresolved plots: Cersei/Margaery/Tommen, the Sand Snakes quest for revenge, the White Walkers, Daenerys, the mutiny at the Wall, Jon Snow's death, Arya and the faceless man, Sansa and Brienne, the Boltons, Sam and Gilly, the Greyjoys, Littlefinger, Rickon/Osha, Nymeria, Gendry, the Sparrows, the Harpys, the Brotherhood/Beric/Thoros, the Mountain, Jorah and his greyscale.

[saillias]

Was anyone else a little confused by Roose lecturing Ramsay about... the Lannisters? Of all the potential threats, does anyone really think the Lannisters' priority is marching an army up North? Just sort of a bizarre moment

[Locke]

Originally Posted by saillias

Was anyone else a little confused by Roose lecturing Ramsay about... the Lannisters? Of all the potential threats, does anyone really think the Lannisters' priority is marching an army up North? Just sort of a bizarre moment

Well....not necessarily. Roose had a deal with Tywin and when Tywin died I think he double-crossed the Lannisters?

They might construe that as a debt that might need paying.

Again though, as I posted earlier, I dont see the Lannisters as a credible threat at the moment. If their alliance with HighGarden falls apart, which looks likely, they're pretty screwed.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by Maritime Q-Scout

In terms of the Sandanakes, I find it wholeheartedly believable that Elleria is making irrational decisions based purely on emotion and not logic.

Everything you said was true. But a broken hearted love of Obryn, who feels the need for revenge isn't letting cooler heads prevail.

In terms of the guards, Elleria said something along the lines of "you don't even recognize your own men" I took that to mean the guards were plants/imposters.

As for Aero Hotah, stabbed in the back is stabbed in the back. How much of a fight did Jamie put up when he lost his hand? Not all the great warriors go down in battle.

The Sandanakes are saying one thing (respect, honour) but doing another. While that's frustrating to watch as a viewer because TV 'rules' don't allow for it; that's possibly the most realistic part of the show.

I pray you, not anyone else on this board ever has to work for/with an Elleria, they're the worst. I'll take plain mean arsehole over the randomness, do as I say not as I do, and sociopathy.

I think they set that up when they first introduced the Dornish. They are lovers and passionate yada yada. I took that to mean they are emotional and will do anything for love etc.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by saillias

Was anyone else a little confused by Roose lecturing Ramsay about... the Lannisters? Of all the potential threats, does anyone really think the Lannisters' priority is marching an army up North? Just sort of a bizarre moment

Yeah it is tough to imagine with all that we know about what the Lannisters are facing. Perhaps Roose doesn't have the intelligence sources to know the extent of the problems the Lannisters have to deal with.

But keep in mind, Roose and Ramsay did betray the Lannisters by marrying Roose to Sansa - who everyone except Little Finger believes killed Joffrey. Roose might be thinking it is only a matter of time before the Lannisters march north to get their revenge.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Arsenal14

Just so I don't waste my time, could you please provide a list of which plotlines are important and which aren't?

A partial list of unresolved plots: Cersei/Margaery/Tommen, the Sand Snakes quest for revenge, the White Walkers, Daenerys, the mutiny at the Wall, Jon Snow's death, Arya and the faceless man, Sansa and Brienne, the Boltons, Sam and Gilly, the Greyjoys, Littlefinger, Rickon/Osha, Nymeria, Gendry, the Sparrows, the Harpys, the Brotherhood/Beric/Thoros, the Mountain, Jorah and his greyscale.

I never said some are important and some aren't. I said that IMO some get unnecessary screen time and others none at all when the others seem to contribute more to the overall 'endgame.'

They are still skipping a ton of stuff. In previous seasons I also thought they spent too much time on unnecessary dialogue instead of getting to the point a bit more.

Again, its a TV show, not a book.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Yeah, it's easy for us to see that the Lannisters aren't in the greatest position to march north. But from Roose's perspective:

The North - Wants Roose dead, but would protect Sansa.
Lannisters - want to #### them up for marrying Sansa.
Tyrells - Tight alliance with the Lannisters through the royal marriage.
Baratheons - Stannis is defeated, those that didn't travel north with him are loyal to Tommen
Tullys - Not really clear if Frey and Roose are tight or just schemed together. But the rest of the Riverlands wants Roose dead for betraying their King.
Greyjoys - Want Roose dead because his son made Theon a life-sized Ken doll.
The Vale - Cozy with Baelish, secretly, but probably no reason to count on them.
Martells - Doran doesn't want to start conflict with Lannisters.
North of the wall - Whitewalkers are a myth.

From Roose's perspective, nearly everyone wants him dead and there's no great conflict happening or looking like it's going to happen (unless Baelish told him something about what ever is happening in the Vale). They might not be in the best position to march up now, but that would change.

We know that the High Sparrow has messed things up in King's Landing, and the Tyrells and Lannisters alliance is shaky. We know Doran is dead and it looks like Dorne is on the brink of war. Roose doesn't.

EDIT: Ouch, didn't even mention Daenerys which kind of sucks because I forget that her goal was to head back at one point...