2016 NHL Draft

[stemit14]

On the topic of Logan Brown... Does anyone have any impression of what kind of player he is? I know he is big. But that's about all I know at this point. Is there an NHL comparable to his game? What's his foot speed like? Is he similar to a Nick Ritchie in terms of his possible rise in the rankings based on every team looking for the next Lucic?


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[Flames Draft Watcher]

Brown is a big playmaking centre in the Joe Thornton style. Not similar to Nick Ritchie who plays more of a powerforward style. Brown does have good skating and skill for his size. Huge upside with Brown, literally

Don't think he fits the Flames needs as much as other teams who are starved for a big centre but you never know.

[bubbsy]

So it seems this draft has a few clear tiers at the top.

Tier1 Mathews
Tier2 Finns x 2
Tier2 a bunch of options 4-10ish

Curious, if a team landed at the 2 or 3 spot, would it be worth trading down to get 2 drafts in the 4-10 range. Or are the Finns worth more than getting 2x tier 3 guys?

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

So it seems this draft has a few clear tiers at the top.

Tier1 Mathews
Tier2 Finns x 2
Tier2 a bunch of options 4-10ish

Curious, if a team landed at the 2 or 3 spot, would it be worth trading down to get 2 drafts in the 4-10 range. Or are the Finns worth more than getting 2x tier 3 guys?

Tough question unless you know the Flames rankings but from what I can see, I'd go with best player available which would be a Finn.

Anyone else wondering about the lack of Canadian trained players in the top rankings? Do we need to revamp our training programs or is this just a blip on the wall?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

So it seems this draft has a few clear tiers at the top.

Tier1 Mathews
Tier2 Finns x 2
Tier2 a bunch of options 4-10ish

Curious, if a team landed at the 2 or 3 spot, would it be worth trading down to get 2 drafts in the 4-10 range. Or are the Finns worth more than getting 2x tier 3 guys?

One of the Fins fills the second biggest organizational need going forward (if you believe Gillies is a future stud than the biggest need). I think we land in the top 3 we take Matthews first, Laine second, or Puljujarvi third

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

So it seems this draft has a few clear tiers at the top.

Tier1 Mathews
Tier2 Finns x 2
Tier2 a bunch of options 4-10ish

Curious, if a team landed at the 2 or 3 spot, would it be worth trading down to get 2 drafts in the 4-10 range. Or are the Finns worth more than getting 2x tier 3 guys?

I may be missing something but how do you trade a top 3 pick for two 4-10 picks when no one team has two 4-10 picks?

[dissentowner]

Am I the only one who has Juolevi ahead of Chychrun? Maybe it is because I have seen a lot of Juolevi but I just think his overall game is better.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Am I the only one who has Juolevi ahead of Chychrun? Maybe it is because I have seen a lot of Juolevi but I just think his overall game is better.

I have Juolevi and Sergachev ahead of Chychrun.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I have Juolevi and Sergachev ahead of Chychrun.

I can't really comment on Sergachev because I have not really looked at him that much. I think what separates Juolevi from the rest is his hockey IQ and poise on the back end. I really question that with Chychrun, it just seems an area of weakness. I think Chychrun is more of the home run swing, he has the tools to be an absolute beast, I am just not sure if he has the tool box to go with it.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

So it seems this draft has a few clear tiers at the top.

Tier1 Mathews
Tier2 Finns x 2
Tier2 a bunch of options 4-10ish

Curious, if a team landed at the 2 or 3 spot, would it be worth trading down to get 2 drafts in the 4-10 range. Or are the Finns worth more than getting 2x tier 3 guys?

I worry that it's becoming more like ...

Tier1 Mathews
Tier2 Finns x 2
Tier3 Dubois
Tier4 Tkachuk
Tier5 2 defensemen or Nylander
Tier6 rest of top 10 or off the board (hoping that doesn't create 11 pages of argument!)

[Gord Wappel]

I'm not worried.
An unforeseen miracle will occur.

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Am I the only one who has Juolevi ahead of Chychrun? Maybe it is because I have seen a lot of Juolevi but I just think his overall game is better.

it was on the radio here this morning the canucks have Juolevi, Sergachev, and Bean ahead of Chychrun according to one of the newspaper guys

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I worry that it's becoming more like ...

Tier1 Mathews
Tier2 Finns x 2
Tier3 Dubois
Tier4 Tkachuk
Tier5 2 defensemen or Nylander
Tier6 rest of top 10 or off the board (hoping that doesn't create 11 pages of argument!)

I think this is pretty close to reality.

If so, we won't be getting Dubois, since we can't pick 4th. If we drop to 6th-8th, we'll likely be talking about Nylander and the Dmen.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I can't really comment on Sergachev because I have not really looked at him that much. I think what separates Juolevi from the rest is his hockey IQ and poise on the back end. I really question that with Chychrun, it just seems an area of weakness. I think Chychrun is more of the home run swing, he has the tools to be an absolute beast, I am just not sure if he has the tool box to go with it.

I don't think there's any big gap separating the 3 D-men. I thought the way folks were pumping Chychruns tires that he would be more dominant in the U18's but he was kind of a let down. Seeing as Quenville and Fabro had better showings.

Agree on the poise and IQ of Juolevi. He's a big part of that stacked London team. He stands out even amongst all that talent.

Sergachev is the top D man in this class for me though. I believe he has all the traits Juolevi has but is more aggressive. And it's shows in the videos I have available.

All three are about the same size, and all three are great skaters. Don't think teams can go wrong with any of them and I think it just comes down to preference at the end of the day. I cannot find a way to question someone if they want Chychrun over the other two or vice versa. They're a tight grouping.

Bean just kind of came out of nowhere the last couple of weeks too. Not sure where he slts in now.

[icecube]

Originally Posted by Gord Wappel

I'm not worried.
An unforeseen miracle will occur.

I've forseen it actually. Auston Matthews donning that flaming C. It's so powerful and beautiful. You guys are going to love it.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by stemit14

On the topic of Logan Brown... Does anyone have any impression of what kind of player he is? I know he is big. But that's about all I know at this point. Is there an NHL comparable to his game? What's his foot speed like? Is he similar to a Nick Ritchie in terms of his possible rise in the rankings based on every team looking for the next Lucic?


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He's also get genetics working for him. His father was a skilled player.

[Bingo]

I do love these late risers though. I want chaos in the draft.

Dubois passes everyone
Bean shows on a RedLine report
Brown now moving up

etc
etc

if a hockey team is run by a GM that will overrule his scouting staff, or a group think group with a lot of decision fear it really plays into the hands of a steely eyed GM like Treviling.

Let the second guessing and chaos create opportunity for a guy ready to take it.

[The Fonz]

My fortune cookie on the weekend said that I'll encounter some good luck very soon.

So I'm not worried.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I worry that it's becoming more like ...

Tier1 Mathews
Tier2 Finns x 2
Tier3 Dubois
Tier4 Tkachuk
Tier5 2 defensemen or Nylander
Tier6 rest of top 10 or off the board (hoping that doesn't create 11 pages of argument!)

There appears to be three tiers in this draft. The top three, the next 15-20, then everyone else. The liquidity in the rankings is what leads me to this belief. The only consistency has been the top three. Everyone else has been moving around, almost from week-to-week depending on who had a big game. That to me says the next group is all on the same level and there is a great deal of skepticism about every player.

[Commandant]

For those thinking of moving down.

this article is from a leafs perspective, but it shows what the historical value of a 4th, 5th, 6th overall pick is.

http://lastwordonsports.com/2016/04/...de-precedents/