I don't think its the necklace that makes her young. There was a bath scene earlier in the show that she wasn't wearing anything and she didn't revert to Grandma. She's definitely having a crisis of confidence about R'hllor and her abilities. We've seen others bring back the dead using his powers, but she hasn't shown that ability yet.
I was wondering the same thing and might have to do my own independent research of all her other nude scenes. I don't recall remembering a necklace, but it wasn't where my attention was focused.
I thought the premiere was quite good, myself. We've got Ser Davos, Edd and Ghost about to hand the Night's Watch their asses, presumably with the help of the wildlings. Three characters died last night, one of which was Cersei and Jamie's point of leverage over the Martells. It's probably going to be up to Tyrion and Varys to rescue Dany from Vaes Dothrak, presumably with the help of her dragons. I'm curious to see if Tommen is going to last the season...
I can't wait for next week. It looks like we're going to see some Bran and Bloodraven storyline!
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I don't think its the necklace that makes her young. There was a bath scene earlier in the show that she wasn't wearing anything and she didn't revert to Grandma. She's definitely having a crisis of confidence about R'hllor and her abilities. We've seen others bring back the dead using his powers, but she hasn't shown that ability yet.
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I was wondering the same thing and might have to do my own independent research of all her other nude scenes. I don't recall remembering a necklace, but it wasn't where my attention was focused.
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In previous media reports, van Houten has suggested Melisandre is at least 100 years old, and could be as much as 400 years old. But Podeswa says the show’s producers did not want to suggest a specific age.
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“That’s an interesting way of looking at it,” the director replies, “but there’s another aspect as well: At that moment, it’s a telling gestural thing to do. She’s questioning her power and ability to prosthelytize. She’s at her lowest point, looking at the mirror and her true self. It’s a sign of her frailty. You’re seeing her at her most vulnerable moment.”
I read a different article this morning saying the necklace in the tub thing was just a continuity error or that since only Selyse saw her she maintained her youthful look (since they both believe in the lord of light) or that maybe, as the director alludes to above, she only gets that way when her confidence is down.
Few things bothered me about last nights episode now that I think about it:
1) Why didn't Ramsay go with his men to hunt down Sansa and Reek? It seems like just the sort of thing he would LOVE to do. Am I to believe he was to torn up to leave the bedside of the girl he fed to the dogs?
2) Why did Ser Davos care so much about John's body? He was obviously upset that John had died, he really liked him, but why on earth would he risk his life for a body? Did I miss the part where Thorne said to John Snow "I'm going to kill Ser Davos" and John replied "Over my dead body!" ?
3) Dorne. That is all.
4) The Danny moment from Step Brothers where she just claims to have been married to Khal Drogo and the other Khal is like did we just become best friends? I won't rape you now!
This first episode honestly felt like to me that they re wrote a bunch of stuff to just advance some story lines as fast as they can to get to a point where they want to go, and it was very very sloppy. Maybe it is the further they get away from the source material the more lost they get.. I am not sure. But I do know they complained about the length of production for this season and that was what fueled their statements about only making another 14 or 15 episodes. I guess D&D might be getting burnt out. I still feel like this season will be great but I just hope it gets tighter from here on out.
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Few things bothered me about last nights episode now that I think about it:
1) Why didn't Ramsay go with his men to hunt down Sansa and Reek? It seems like just the sort of thing he would LOVE to do. Am I to believe he was to torn up to leave the bedside of the girl he fed to the dogs?
2) Why did Ser Davos care so much about John's body? He was obviously upset that John had died, he really liked him, but why on earth would he risk his life for a body? Did I miss the part where Thorne said to John Snow "I'm going to kill Ser Davos" and John replied "Over my dead body!" ?
3) Dorne. That is all.
4) The Danny moment from Step Brothers where she just claims to have been married to Khal Drogo and the other Khal is like did we just become best friends? I won't rape you now!
Not all four are questions but I'll try to answer or respond to each...
1) why would he go? We missed all the scenes in between last season and the beginning of this season, so maybe his father simply said "stay here you can't go off hunting." There was a major battle going on. There has obviously been some time from when they ran until when we pick it up. If he went, he'd probably be dead too...
2) Davos has proven time and time again he is willing to die to do the right thing.
3) I don't get why people hate Dorne. So there was one bad fight scene last season, who cares? I've seen worse on this show. I love Dorne. I like that there are more characters with some conviction.
4) Like a lot of the other tribal cultures on GoT the Dothraki seem to be really into traditions and such. Dany proved her worth not just by speaking Dothraki but speaking like a Dorthraki. I have no doubt that he feels honour bound to treat her as his culture dictates the widow of a former Khal is treated.
I was more bothered that she didn't mention to him that she owns ####ing dragons. You'd think he'd have either heard rumours, seen the giant thing flying around and/or be very interested in being friends with someone that has giant ####ing dragons. Or maybe he would have killed her because they think dragons are evil magic, I don't know.
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Dorne's been more interesting than anything in Essos has been for a long, long time.
After sleeping on it, this episode is a 7/10 for me. Could have been higher if we got to see some Bran after such a long time. Not a bad episode, but a touch underwhelming.
You seem like the impatient sort. Have you seen the past 5 seasons and the respective season openers? Seems like you haven't, that's why I ask.
There's slow and there's stalling. Slow is fine because I know, given the show's history, it is a build-up to something. Stalling is wasteful as it accomplishes nothing, and I felt that 3/4 of last night's episode was stalling.
I think I've explained why I hold this opinion quite respectively, without generalizations or judgements. It has little to do with impatience or unfamiliarity.
Chances are that within 3 weeks most of this argument will be moot, as major developments will have unfolded and we are down a character or three (factoring in what I am assuming is Jon's resurrection).
It simply felt kind of 'meh' to take 2 steps forward and then 2 steps back last night.
And don't mistake my critique for anything other than disappointment with a single episode. There is so much more to come and I am truly excited for that. I just wish that something more substantial could have came in 'The Red Woman'.
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Not all four are questions but I'll try to answer or respond to each...
1) why would he go? We missed all the scenes in between last season and the beginning of this season, so maybe his father simply said "stay here you can't go off hunting." There was a major battle going on. There has obviously been some time from when they ran until when we pick it up. If he went, he'd probably be dead too...
2) Davos has proven time and time again he is willing to die to do the right thing.
3) I don't get why people hate Dorne. So there was one bad fight scene last season, who cares? I've seen worse on this show. I love Dorne. I like that there are more characters with some conviction.
4) Like a lot of the other tribal cultures on GoT the Dothraki seem to be really into traditions and such. Dany proved her worth not just by speaking Dothraki but speaking like a Dorthraki. I have no doubt that he feels honour bound to treat her as his culture dictates the widow of a former Khal is treated.
1) Ding ding ding, thats just it, sloppy writing. If he went then he would have to face Brienne and it would totally ruin two sides of the story, one of them would be dead moving forward... most likely Ramsay or we are just back to square one. I found it to just be way to convenient.
2) What is the right thing here though? Protecting a dead body? Avenging him against the Nights Watch? I am so confused, why the heck does he care so much about a body? Because somebody needs to watch over it for a few episodes until he is resed, it is just sooooo sloppy and again convenient.
3) They killed off multiple major characters in about 30 seconds. There was no hint or tip to us that the people of Dorne actually hated Doran. All of a sudden they just kill him and one stab to the back is enough to kill his body guard who apparently from last season we should gather is one of the best fighters in the world based on his comment to Jamie Lannister. Sloppy, convenient. One of the crappy sand snakes killed a guy who claims he could go toe to toe with the second best swordsman we know of, second only to Selmy.
4) This one I can kind of agree with, I get it they are all about honor and code, it was just funny how it went from 60 mph to 0 in like a split second. Aka the step brothers syndrome. This one I can change my mind on because it will further he chances of proving her worth to the dothraki so they follow her.
I guess I am just upset because this show has big shoes to fill based on previous seasons and I feel like with this episode they semi mailed it in. I am confident that the destination will be great, but I want the journey to be just as great.
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I think it is really hard to have meaningful progression to the individual storylines when they were all left kind of hanging last year. When you have either a cliffhanger or a major event, lets use Jon and Myrcella as examples, you can't expect major movement right away. Same could be said for literally every storyline. If they start off with major revelations with Jon people would be super pissed. If Dorne and the Lannisters instantly went to war people would be wondering WTF? You can't have a season ending battle in the first episode.
There needs to be some set up for the events that are going to happen. Honestly would anyone have been happy if Jorah and Daario found Dany right away? Or if Sansa just rolled up on some castle in the North and declared revenge on the Boltons?
I think Dorne seems campy to viewers because of two factors:
1) The mishandling of the scenes from last season. Most notably, the drop off in production values around the fight scenes (choreography, editing, etc.) and the dialogue...the latter of which leads to the second point.
2) One dimensional characters. Ellaria and the Sand Snakes do not have a lot of depth to them (revenge!), and so far aren't written in a way that will lend towards a lot of depth. Now they have killed off Prince Doran, the most complicated and interesting character in Dorne after Oberyn, and Areo Hotah, the intriguing badass.
The show runners are going in a completely different direction with the Dorne storyline than the source material, and while it promises for more exciting conflict, it doesn't fit the overall structure of the GOT universe we are used to seeing. I will say I am more interested in the Dorne storyline today than I was before the start of the episode yesterday, so that should be considered a positive.
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1) Ding ding ding, thats just it, sloppy writing. If he went then he would have to face Brienne and it would totally ruin two sides of the story, one of them would be dead moving forward... most likely Ramsay or we are just back to square one. I found it to just be way to convenient.
2) What is the right thing here though? Protecting a dead body? Avenging him against the Nights Watch? I am so confused, why the heck does he care so much about a body? Because somebody needs to watch over it for a few episodes until he is resed, it is just sooooo sloppy and again convenient.
3) They killed off multiple major characters in about 30 seconds. There was no hint or tip to us that the people of Dorne actually hated Doran. All of a sudden they just kill him and one stab to the back is enough to kill his body guard who apparently from last season we should gather is one of the best fighters in the world based on his comment to Jamie Lannister. Sloppy, convenient. One of the crappy sand snakes killed a guy who claims he could go toe to toe with the second best swordsman we know of, second only to Selmy.
4) This one I can kind of agree with, I get it they are all about honor and code, it was just funny how it went from 60 mph to 0 in like a split second. Aka the step brothers syndrome. This one I can change my mind on because it will further he chances of proving her worth to the dothraki so they follow her.
1. I'm not sure what you're dinging for...Sloppy writing? How is that sloppy writing? Why do you need him to go? Why would it make sense for him to go? Who cares if he goes?
2. Why do you think this is about his body? Davos and Jon's buddies aren't having a wake. They are planning what to do. They know that the killers won't just let them walk free. Even if they had been in the kitchen this whole time and not with Jon's body, the scenario would be the same. They are biding their time until that guy, who presumably went to go get wildling help, comes back and saves them from getting murdered. Being in the same room as Jon's body is nothing but coincidence.
3. I'm not even sure what you're getting at here. You wanted a bunch of street level rebellion to explain why the sand snakes hated Doran? I thought it was quite clear for the last 2 seasons since Obaryn first showed up and promised revenge on the Lannisters.
I think you're getting letdown because you've amped yourself up to a point where no amount of action or story progression would satisfy you. When you sit around and watch that trailer 50 times a day and spend all day talking about where the story will go with Bran and Jon and the whitewalkers.
Then you sit down and it is an hour of exposition and progression with no major revelations. I see why people are let down. I just don't think it is the shows fault.
Ok clear one thing up for me that I can't figure out.
Was the Dornish Prince on the ship with Jamie and his daughter at the end of last season? If yes the whole scene with the two Sand Snakes has me confused. Is it forward in time and the ship had sailed back to Dorne, or did the two Snakes get on at some point? And if that was the case wouldn't Jamie have been a little pissed?
I never said I was let down with the progression, I was let down by the quality of the writing. It was not up to the quality we have seen in previous seasons. That was my point. Not sure where the personal insult about me being obsessed with the trailers came from. Is this not a thread to speculate and discuss the series?
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Ok clear one thing up for me that I can't figure out.
Was the Dornish Prince on the ship with Jamie and his daughter at the end of last season? If yes the whole scene with the two Sand Snakes has me confused. Is it forward in time and the ship had sailed back to Dorne, or did the two Snakes get on at some point? And if that was the case wouldn't Jamie have been a little pissed?
I am assuming that was a separate ship that was sending him to Kings Landing to sit on the small council, like Doran asked of Jamie last season.
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Ok clear one thing up for me that I can't figure out.
Was the Dornish Prince on the ship with Jamie and his daughter at the end of last season? If yes the whole scene with the two Sand Snakes has me confused. Is it forward in time and the ship had sailed back to Dorne, or did the two Snakes get on at some point? And if that was the case wouldn't Jamie have been a little pissed?
From what I understand they were in port at King's Landing. I would assume that Prince Doran would have sent the Snakes with Trystane as escorts/protection, without knowing of Ellaria's plot (it was a Dornish boat).
As for Jaime, I don't know if he has figured out that this is a larger plot beyond Ellaria and her daughters.
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