Jay Bouwmeester is Dion Phaneuf without the offense, physical play or stereo sense. On paper, fine player. If he's on your team, you ain't winnin' nothin'.
People keep saying this but it isnt true, hes won lots with Canada.
Surrounded by good players hes very capable, hes just not a core player or a horse that you can lean on, the best way to put it I think is that Bouwmeester is a complimentary player. A nice piece to add, but not going to make anyone around him better or drag you across the finish line.
Hes a frustrating player to watch because he always seems like he could be so much better but hes just not interested. 'This is good enough.'
That being said, last night he looks like someone who isnt paying attention, always reacting seemingly late, 'oh is that my guy? Dammit!'
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Watching this series closely really brings back some old Bouwmeester thoughts.
He's not as bad as you think he is, but not as good as he should be. Really a frustrating boring hockey player to watch.
Not a great trade (come on Poirier) but I'm glad he's no longer a Flame.
Great skater but I don't think he sees the ice well, or maybe he doesn't play well with pressure when he can't see the whole ice in front of him?
He was directly responsible for the tying third goal and fell asleep again and was forced to take the penalty which caused the fifth goal. Very happy he's not a Flames and a lot of Blues fans don't like him either.
People keep saying this but it isnt true, hes won lots with Canada.
Surrounded by good players hes very capable, hes just not a core player or a horse that you can lean on, the best way to put it I think is that Bouwmeester is a complimentary player. A nice piece to add, but not going to make anyone around him better or drag you across the finish line.
Hes a frustrating player to watch because he always seems like he could be so much better but hes just not interested. 'This is good enough.'
That being said, last night he looks like someone who isnt paying attention, always reacting seemingly late, 'oh is that my guy? Dammit!'
If he's on one of the greatest rosters of talent ever assembled, playing in a best on best tournament with no Andrew Shaw type pests to muss up his hair, he can get through it. He's capable of concentrating for two weeks max. The playoffs are two months. He's garbage.
Have to laugh at Bouwmeester being the goat. Blues have blown this as a team and Jbo is pretty much the last guy to blame. How about Pietrangelo and his partner letting Kane making them look like pylons on the pp goal? Was Bouw cursing them from the penalty box?
There is a huge list of players that have won squat if we exclude stacked international teams. That includes pretty much every core player on that Blues team.
Bouw has always been a victim of expectations. Coming to Calgary as a huge acquisition and being expected to be a 20g messiah like Norris contender was awful for him.
How many times do we hear that it is good for a dman to be boring? It's a compliment for most guys to not be noticed. When we don't notice Jbo he's a bum. When we don't notice Pietrangelo he's a stud.
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I've little opinion on Bouwmeester, except to say, that guys like him or, say, Phaneuf, sometimes get a LOT of early career hype from the media, especially the NATIONAL media, that don't watch him every day, and see his warts...in these cases, perceived value/talent is inflated, slightly...the bar of expectations for the guys becomes unreachable, and it is exacerbated by contracts handed to these guys by GMs that buy the perception, rather than the reality...and fans, disappointed by that reality, turn on the poor guy...(see this thread, and prior Phaneuf threads!)
Perhaps he was better suited to playing in the, IMO, soft, trappy Eastern Conference...but, he has had GMs throwing money at him, due to skewed perceptions.
Edit: (as I was typing this, it seems Terwilliger shared the same thought!...I agree with you, Cecil)
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You want suspect decision making, why not look at Hitchcock only playing Tarasenko for 16:56. That was 5th most amongst the forwards. How on earth that guy isn't out for 20 minutes a night I don't know, he's by far their best forward.
They also showed a point last night at the end of the 2nd period where he was moaning at Hitchcock for not giving him much PP time, only got 8 seconds of the 1 minor the Hawks took.
You want suspect decision making, why not look at Hitchcock only playing Tarasenko for 16:56. That was 5th most amongst the forwards. How on earth that guy isn't out for 20 minutes a night I don't know, he's by far their best forward.
They also showed a point last night at the end of the 2nd period where he was moaning at Hitchcock for not giving him much PP time, only got 8 seconds of the 1 minor the Hawks took.
Again, in fairness, while Tarasenko is their best forward he accomplishes a great deal of his offensive feats by completely abandoning the defensive side of the game.
Hitchcock is trying to make sure that when he goes AWOL he isnt doing it against the Hawks that will absolutely burn him.
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You want suspect decision making, why not look at Hitchcock only playing Tarasenko for 16:56. That was 5th most amongst the forwards. How on earth that guy isn't out for 20 minutes a night I don't know, he's by far their best forward.
They also showed a point last night at the end of the 2nd period where he was moaning at Hitchcock for not giving him much PP time, only got 8 seconds of the 1 minor the Hawks took.
Because so far in these playoffs, Hitch has dispatched Tarasenko to start in the offensive zone 79.7% of the time. Last game, the Hawks were dominant in nearly every aspect of the game, especially possession. Tarasenko is a liability defensively, so when every faceoff is being taken in the defensive zone, naturally Hitch isn't going to dispatch Tarasenko. That's why he only had 16:56 TOI.
In the regular season, Tarasenko starts in the offensive zone 66.1% of the time in the offensive zone. That's just what Tarasenko is. He's an offensive freak of nature with a lack of defensive abilities and that's the way Hitch uses him.
Appears Seabrook totally lost his man, and let Upshall walk in all by himself to give St. Louis a lead, and then Hjalmarsson left Tarasenko of all people, wide open, leading to a goal, and that bum Keith lost his man, and left a guy wide open in the slot, almost leading to the tying goal, luckily Crawford was there to bail him out, cuz the Hawks defense is obviously disinterested and and bored with hockey. Bunch of useless over hyped defenders who got contracts based on perception, not true value. When will the GM's learn.
This J-Bo hate is getting bizarre. The guy has always been what he is today, nothing more, nothing less, and he's accomplished a lot by being just that. He's not an all around defender, he's barely average in his own zone, and he's the furthest thing from physical. It's his skating and his outlet pass that made him one of the best at creating offense, much like Karlsson does now. Most teams want to have at least one of those in their top 4, and I'm sure GM's fully understand that they can't rely on that guy to be spectacular defensively, they just hope they provide enough offense to make up for their flaws.
Appears Seabrook totally lost his man, and let Upshall walk in all by himself to give St. Louis a lead, and then Hjalmarsson left Tarasenko of all people, wide open, leading to a goal, and that bum Keith lost his man, and left a guy wide open in the slot, almost leading to the tying goal, luckily Crawford was there to bail him out, cuz the Hawks defense is obviously disinterested and and bored with hockey. Bunch of useless over hyped defenders who got contracts based on perception, not true value. When will the GM's learn.
This J-Bo hate is getting bizarre. The guy has always been what he is today, nothing more, nothing less, and he's accomplished a lot by being just that. He's not an all around defender, he's barely average in his own zone, and he's the furthest thing from physical. It's his skating and his outlet pass that made him one of the best at creating offense, much like Karlsson does now. Most teams want to have at least one of those in their top 4, and I'm sure GM's fully understand that they can't rely on that guy to be spectacular defensively, they just hope they provide enough offense to make up for their flaws.
We have three championships' worth of game tape showing Seabrook, Keith and Hjalmarsson delivering when it matters.
Nobody expects Bouwmeester to be perfect. But in his entire career, can you point to a single game, regular season or otherwise, where Jay Bouwmeester was the best player on the ice? Where he elevated his game because the moment demanded he do something remarkable and his team NEEDED him to be a difference maker?
No, because that's not how Jay Bouwmeester plays hockey. And that's why he sucks. His signature moment is that little slap pass to Benn against the US in Sochi.
Duncan Keith played 30+ minutes a night last playoff and he was remarkable. Play Bouwmeester 30 minutes a night in the Stanley Cup playoffs and you get swept.
We have three championships' worth of game tape showing Seabrook, Keith and Hjalmarsson delivering when it matters.
Nobody expects Bouwmeester to be perfect. But in his entire career, can you point to a single game, regular season or otherwise, where Jay Bouwmeester was the best player on the ice? Where he elevated his game because the moment demanded he do something remarkable and his team NEEDED him to be a difference maker?
No, because that's not how Jay Bouwmeester plays hockey. And that's why he sucks. His signature moment is that little slap pass to Benn against the US in Sochi.
Duncan Keith played 30+ minutes a night last playoff and he was remarkable. Play Bouwmeester 30 minutes a night in the Stanley Cup playoffs and you get swept.
That is precisely it that is not who Jay Bouwmeester is, so why hold him to the same level as guys like Keith, Seabrook, Doughty, etc. I can't recall a GM ever pronouncing Jay Bouwmeester to be the ultimate defenceman who can carry a team to the promise land, he was an elite skating offensive defenseman, that when used correctly could help your team put up points. Used incorrectly and he will hinder your team. Which again, is why I don't understand all the hate. People are pointing out his flaws as if they are mistakes he's making, they aren't though, that's just who he is. Trying to hold him to higher levels is always gonna make him look bad, but if you hold him to his capabilities, he doesn't dissapoint near a much. He makes mistakes like everyone else.
With some players, it's a compliment when you say they play with the same intensity whether it's a pre-season game, game 50 of the regular season, or a crucial playoff game. Bouwmeester is not one of those players.
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Have to laugh at Bouwmeester being the goat. Blues have blown this as a team and Jbo is pretty much the last guy to blame. How about Pietrangelo and his partner letting Kane making them look like pylons on the pp goal? Was Bouw cursing them from the penalty box?
There is a huge list of players that have won squat if we exclude stacked international teams. That includes pretty much every core player on that Blues team.
Bouw has always been a victim of expectations. Coming to Calgary as a huge acquisition and being expected to be a 20g messiah like Norris contender was awful for him.
How many times do we hear that it is good for a dman to be boring? It's a compliment for most guys to not be noticed. When we don't notice Jbo he's a bum. When we don't notice Pietrangelo he's a stud.
Lol please watch the third goal and tell me how that's not 100% on Bouwmeester. He goes to the wrong side when his D partner already has that covered and then realizes too late that there is a Hawk coming from each side and he's on the wrong side. The Hawk scores a easy tap-in because Bouwmeester went to the wrong side of the ice. He's the goat there.
Fifth goal when he's in the penalty box it was because he fell asleep and didn't see the Hawk open until it was too late. Tried to recover and had to take a penalty. How exactly isn't that goal his fault? He took an unnecessary penalty that led to a pp goal. Again, he's the goat.
Bouwmeester continues to have brain farts in important games and looks like he may need better contacts as he always looks like he can't see when he's playing. He constantly misses his guy and doesn't cover him up.
Re: Bouwmeester, when Sutter picked him up, Jaybo was paid for what was anticipated to come. Jaybo was looking primed to take that next step. He never did with the Flames and it was summed up to the part was better than the whole and his numbers were indicative of poor team play.
The Blues brought him on with the same thought that Bouwmeester could be better on the Blues than the Flames.
Now it appears as though the kid who was playing in Florida, turning heads and had the trajectory of becoming a future Norris candidate, had plateaud in Florida and peaked super early.
I'm not suggesting Jaybo is on the decline, but he's never going to be better than what he was a few years back. He doesn't play with that desire that it takes to win. He has some great tools, but too small of tool box, ie; not that great of hockey IQ.
Boumeester would be better served as a second pairing dman. He's a solid NHL defenceman, but he's not an elite game breaking dman as he was originally touted to be. He'll give you solid minutes, but he matches up poorly against top opposition. I think he's one of those guys that can fill in as a temp top pairing guy for short spurts, but needs to be on your second pairing instead so he's not exposed.
His decision making is sometimes suspect, he's not physical, but makes up for it somewhat with his above average skating. Plus, he has one of the weakest shots I've ever seen for a such a tall guy.
