2016 NHL Draft

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Lol! I always try to be an optimist in whatever I do because my nature is to be the opposite. However, I've already grieved and accepted the Oilers getting first pick

Them getting second might be as bad or worse. Mcdavid and Laine on the same line

[Roof-Daddy]

I dunno.

The Flames have a boat load of prospects. Almost more than the farm can handle and there already seems to be not enough ice time to go around.

IMO we need quality over quantity at this point, so trading down doesn't make much sense to me if it's just to draft an extra prospect or two.

Better off packaging those picks to grab this years "Dougie Hamilton" hopefully in the form of a goalie or big/skilled right winger.

Or package up what we already have to move UP from 6/7/8 instead.

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I dunno.

The Flames have a boat load of prospects. Almost more than the farm can handle and there already seems to be not enough ice time to go around.

IMO we need quality over quantity at this point, so trading down doesn't make much sense to me if it's just to draft an extra prospect or two.

Better off packaging those picks to grab this years "Dougie Hamilton" hopefully in the form of a goalie or big/skilled right winger.

Or package up what we already have to move UP from 6/7/8 instead.

That's where an additional pick may end up coming into play. You could probably entice teams that have a goalie to part with them for the 20th/23rd OV pick, where you're less likely with 35 or the potential 1st round Dallas pick

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I dunno.

The Flames have a boat load of prospects. Almost more than the farm can handle and there already seems to be not enough ice time to go around.

IMO we need quality over quantity at this point, so trading down doesn't make much sense to me if it's just to draft an extra prospect or two.

Better off packaging those picks to grab this years "Dougie Hamilton" hopefully in the form of a goalie or big/skilled right winger.

Or package up what we already have to move UP from 6/7/8 instead.

If you're picking outside of the top three does it matter? The top three are players we need. After that there are a whole bunch of maybes. If you're taking a maybe, take several maybes and hope you hit one of the best out of that bunch. The uncertainty in the published lists makes me believe you can get as good a player at 15 as at 5. It is up to our scouts to discern the order and be accurate in their assessments.

[Trailer Fire]

Man do Brown and Bellows look good against the Czechs. Bellows has a rocket of a shot. Really quick release.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by puds

MacKenzie's list is usually pretty accurate.

There is no way the quality of the players drafted 15-20 is the same as 5-10.

Accurate to what, though?

This was McKenzie's list just a season ago:

http://www.tsn.ca/mcdavid-tops-mcken...nking-1.300634

McKenzie's 13th ranked prospect in the 2015 draft, drafted 17th in that draft, is now one of the four or five best NHL-affiliated prospects, period, if he's not THE best. Was he a total surprise? Well he was ranked as high as 6th in that draft on other lists, so maybe not.

The top-around-four guys (Matthews, Laine, Puljujarvi, Dubois) in this year's drafts are probably no-brainers, especially in terms of fit for us. Beyond that it's pretty much wide open guesswork.

Do I think we should move down? It depends on the Flames internal list, not Bob McKenzie's list. If the Flames have a guy like Jost, McLeod, or Rubtsov ranked in their top 7 and expect that player to be available at 13th then they should do it.

[Monahan For Mayor]

Originally Posted by Trailer Fire

Man do Brown and Bellows look good against the Czechs. Bellows has a rocket of a shot. Really quick release.

Yes, but so does everyone else on the team.

[JJ1532]

Trading down inside the top 10 rarely happens. There hasn't been a trade back inside the top 10 for picks since 2008. I don't see that changing this year.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

If the Flames pick 7th after the lotto, I'd have no problem sliding back to 13th instead if we pick up say the 23rd overall pick from Carolina or 14th + 20th from Boston. It opens up options, but it largely depends on what's available etc.

Just depends on what the scouts think of the guys and if so and so should be available at 13-14 that they think should be. Say a guy like Gauthier, McLeod, or Logan Brown (6-6 center expected to go 15th or so).

Interesting, as 14-20 could net you Gauthier/Rubstov. Which would be good. Thats a solid RW prospect and a good winger and both with good size.

Don't think McLeod falls out of the top ten personally.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by JJ1532

Trading down inside the top 10 rarely happens. There hasn't been a trade back inside the top 10 for picks since 2008. I don't see that changing this year.

I think its more likely this year than some others because of how close 4-12 are supposed to be. Inevitably somebody is going to like a guy they think will still be there 2-3 spots later.

That said I think the Flames should they draft 6/7 are in a good spot to potentially land someone in their top 5 and in that scenario you wouldn't expect us to trade down

[albertGQ]

Even if you believe there is no difference between pick 4 and 24 (which I don't believe), I'd much rather pick 4 and get the player I want than 24 and be stuck with the last one available.

With that said, I don't think any reputable rankings view 4-24 as basically equal

[JJ1532]

Originally Posted by albertGQ

Even if you believe there is no difference between pick 4 and 24 (which I don't believe), I'd much rather pick 4 and get the player I want than 24 and be stuck with the last one available.

With that said, I don't think any reputable rankings view 4-24 as basically equal

Splitting hairs, but we can't pick 4th. If we win a lottery, its 1-3 or if we don't, we pick 5-8.

[Commandant]

Originally Posted by New Era

10 scouts out of how many? Statistically they mean little. MacKenzie's list is about as accurate as RGI. It is great for conjecture, but doesn't mean much once a team takes to the podium.

Go look at the last 10 years and compare the actual drafts vs Bob McKenzie's list and everyone else out there. Bob's final list is far and away the most accurate predictor of where people will be drafted.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

USA-FIN now on TSN in the U18 Semfinal #1
Puljujarvi (#9) for FIN
Brown (#27), Bellows (#22), Keller (#19) for USA

[FBI]

Those green subway ads on the nets are HORRRRIBLE

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by New Era

10 scouts out of how many? Statistically they mean little. MacKenzie's list is about as accurate as RGI. It is great for conjecture, but doesn't mean much once a team takes to the podium.

well, its 10 guys that actually get paid to do this for a living for actual NHL teams.

if you don't like the list, or like craig button's (or whomever) list better, that is certainly your prerogative...

for all we know one of the scouts he's tapping into is Tod Button...

[Monahan For Mayor]

Maple leafs entourage at the game. No doubt scoping out Puljujarvi.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Monahan For Mayor

Maple leafs entourage at the game. No doubt scoping out Puljujarvi.

And they've got PIT's 1st. And a bunch of 2nds. Probably watching a lot of these kids.

[RyZ]

Clayton Keller not getting much attention right now but he just passed Patrick Kane as the #2 all time leading scorer for the USNDTP behind only Auston Matthews at this point. Like Jost, he could go a whole lot higher than some people have him ranked. He's a little below average size but the talent is undeniable.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by RyZ

Clayton Keller not getting much attention right now but he just passed Patrick Kane as the #2 all time leading scorer for the USNDTP behind only Auston Matthews at this point. Like Jost, he could go a whole lot higher than some people have him ranked. He's a little below average size but the talent is undeniable.

More than a little below average size, he's tiny! Jost is considerably bigger. Keller is like Gaudreau size. Keller is ranked top 10 by some rankings. I'd be shocked to see him go top 8 due to his size. Somewhere in the 10-15 range is what I'd guess.