The New American Politics thread

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

God dammit, I was tricked, I didn't realize I was clicking on a TYT video.

[Senator Clay Davis]

^Right, but how do polls that don't mean anything beat actual votes and actual delegates? If you're looking to hand the GOP material they need to paint Sanders as a socialist/communist well something like that, essentially subverting the will of the people, is a gift they will take and laugh to the bank. It's moot because it'll never happen as the supers would never do that, but it's dumb because it makes their campaign seem desperate and a touch delusional. Kerry and Romney were both ahead in the polls at this point for President. Kasich now apparently can beat either Hillary or Bernie. Polls are meaningless this far out.

[metallicat]

They should get rid of the two term limit. Either bring back Bill Clinton or keep Obama.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

^Right, but how do polls that don't mean anything beat actual votes and actual delegates? If you're looking to hand the GOP material they need to paint Sanders as a socialist/communist well something like that, essentially subverting the will of the people, is a gift they will take and laugh to the bank. It's moot because it'll never happen as the supers would never do that, but it's dumb because it makes their campaign seem desperate and a touch delusional. Kerry and Romney were both ahead in the polls at this point for President. Kasich now apparently can beat either Hillary or Bernie. Polls are meaningless this far out.

It's looking as a far more likely option for the GOP than the Democrats. I think the GOP are done either way.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Kasich now apparently can beat either Hillary or Bernie.

Frankly I think he probably could. He'd win Ohio, for one thing; probably Florida.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Frankly I think he probably could. He'd win Ohio, for one thing; probably Florida.

In any normal year an 8 year black democratic president presiding over a dreadful resession would only be followed by a woman or a Jewish candidate because the DNC had conceded that voter fatigue meant nothing they could do would make a difference, the electorate were ready for a change no matter what and so they might as well run an unelectable candidate to keep the progressive wing happy.

It's a measure of how truely effed up the GOP are that were looking at 16 years straight of black, female or Jewish presidents!!

[driveway]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

In any normal year an 8 year black democratic president presiding over a dreadful resession would only be followed by a woman or a Jewish candidate because the DNC had conceded that voter fatigue meant nothing they could do would make a difference, the electorate were ready for a change no matter what and so they might as well run an unelectable candidate to keep the progressive wing happy.

It's a measure of how truely effed up the GOP are that were looking at 16 years straight of black, female or Jewish presidents!!

1. What recession?

2. I think that's the first time I've seen someone be that racist and that sexist in one sentence before.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by driveway

1. What recession?

2. I think that's the first time I've seen someone be that racist and that sexist in one sentence before.

1. The recession Obama inherited from Bush.

2. While politically incorrect, I took it as a shot at the American electorate and not a belief of afc wimbledon.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

1. The recession Obama inherited from Bush.

2. While politically incorrect, I took it as a shot at the American electorate and not a belief of afc wimbledon.

More specifically at how bat sh** crazy the Republicans have gone.

Seriously though, I don't think anywhere my post did I imply there was anything wrong with either a Black, Jewish or female president did I?

[driveway]

Well, first of all the United States hasn't been in recession since like 2010. I think there's been the longest string of month-to-month economic growth ever under Obama, but I could be wrong about that. There has also been a consistent lowering of the unemployment rate, as well as a steady increase in the value of the major stock indices. I'm pretty sure there isn't a single economist out there who's claiming that there is an ongoing recession in the US.

Secondly, I'm sorry if I read something into your post that wasn't there, but what I got was that Obama had been terrible and that, were it not for the travesty of GOP opposition either a Jewish or Female Democrat candidate would be dead-in-the-water, implying that neither a Jew nor a Woman would make a credible Presidential candidate. And that last line sure seemed to say that if the GOP were competent, then they would easily trounce any Black, Jew, or Female candidate for President, again implying that these candidates are inherently inferior.

If you were trying to imply that the US is racist and sexist and that's what would allow the GOP, under normal circumstances, to whoop on those candidates it didn't come across. What came across to me at least was that your opinion is that Blacks, Jews, and Women make for bad Presidents and bad candidates.

[OMG!WTF!]

It's hard to give either credit or blame to Obama for the economy of the last eight years. The S&P has done well largely because the economy continued to falter and required the on going stimulus of free money creation. The unemployment rate is down but the dropout rate is high. Debt, all levels of debt. Personal, state and federal have blown to smithereens any vague concept of a ceiling or cap. Ironically the rich have gotten spectacularly richer while the poor have barely scraped by. They'll be talking about the mess Obama left just as they do his predecessors.

[ernie]

Originally Posted by OMG!WTF!

It's hard to give either credit or blame to Obama for the economy of the last eight years. The S&P has done well largely because the economy continued to falter and required the on going stimulus of free money creation. The unemployment rate is down but the dropout rate is high. Debt, all levels of debt. Personal, state and federal have blown to smithereens any vague concept of a ceiling or cap. Ironically the rich have gotten spectacularly richer while the poor have barely scraped by. They'll be talking about the mess Obama left just as they do his predecessors.

Over the last several months the unemployment rate has continued to hold steady and even decline and people are returning to the workforce.

In addition, much of the drop in participation in the job market was due to retirements in the baby boomer generation. Some was due to people legitimately dropping out but not all of it. The retirement cause will continue to influence things for more years yet.

That said, the labor market is considered at full employment and since September a greater percentage are entering the market. And most of those returning are the less educated, disabled or older workers as the service economy picks up (because people have money to spend). Companies have also begun to shift to hiring unskilled workers and training them...something they don't need to do during times of high unemployment and declining participation rates.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by OMG!WTF!

It's hard to give either credit or blame to Obama for the economy of the last eight years. The S&P has done well largely because the economy continued to falter and required the on going stimulus of free money creation. The unemployment rate is down but the dropout rate is high. Debt, all levels of debt. Personal, state and federal have blown to smithereens any vague concept of a ceiling or cap. Ironically the rich have gotten spectacularly richer while the poor have barely scraped by. They'll be talking about the mess Obama left just as they do his predecessors.

No they aren't, you're making this up.

In a year's time, no one is going to be talking about 'the mess' Obama left behind. He's been one of the best presidents in modern US history and may prove to be historically more popular than Bill Clinton in 10 years time.

[OMG!WTF!]

Originally Posted by ernie

Over the last several months the unemployment rate has continued to hold steady and even decline and people are returning to the workforce.

In addition, much of the drop in participation in the job market was due to retirements in the baby boomer generation. Some was due to people legitimately dropping out but not all of it. The retirement cause will continue to influence things for more years yet.

That said, the labor market is considered at full employment and since September a greater percentage are entering the market. And most of those returning are the less educated, disabled or older workers as the service economy picks up (because people have money to spend). Companies have also begun to shift to hiring unskilled workers and training them...something they don't need to do during times of high unemployment and declining participation rates.

The other factor is the relatively flat wage growth...like 1% a year for most of the last two terms. Awesome for the 1%.

[OMG!WTF!]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

No they aren't, you're making this up.

In a year's time, no one is going to be talking about 'the mess' Obama left behind. He's been one of the best presidents in modern US history and may prove to be historically more popular than Bill Clinton in 10 years time.

Yes. It is amazing what ten trillion in debt can accomplish for you. But you're right. It won't be talked about when the next guy runs it up even more.

[calculoso]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

No they aren't, you're making this up.

In a year's time, no one is going to be talking about 'the mess' Obama left behind. He's been one of the best presidents in modern US history and may prove to be historically more popular than Bill Clinton in 10 years time.

Especially considering all of the walls that the Republicans (Tea Party) have put in his way

[ernie]

Originally Posted by OMG!WTF!

The other factor is the relatively flat wage growth...like 1% a year for most of the last two terms. Awesome for the 1%.

Average wage increase is 2% right now. Over 4% in private sector markets for those in the same job for 12 months.

[OMG!WTF!]

Originally Posted by ernie

Average wage increase is 2% right now. Over 4% in private sector markets for those in the same job for 12 months.

That is truly amazing and very well done. I mean, 95% of all income gains from 2009-2013 went to the richest 1% of Americans. But this. This 2% gain in an election year no less, will be most memorable.

I actually love Obama. Actually I really love the federal reserve. But Obama at least didn't screw it up.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by OMG!WTF!

That is truly amazing and very well done. I mean, 95% of all income gains from 2009-2013 went to the richest 1% of Americans. But this. This 2% gain in an election year no less, will be most memorable.

I actually love Obama. Actually I really love the federal reserve. But Obama at least didn't screw it up.

How is that income gain on Obama? He can control wall street now? Lol

[OMG!WTF!]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

How is that income gain on Obama? He can control wall street now? Lol

Yes. Absolutely he can. Government spending and the federal reserve are like the crack addicts and enablers you see on "Intervention". If one is buying one is spending. And if the one buying is big enough, interest rates become inconsequential. 4.5 trillion dollars piled into banks. Mergers and acquisitions are through the roof. Stock buy backs are going like crazy. It's like candyland for rich people. Average people are thrilled their mortgages are relatively cheap. But that's chump change compared to the real money.

They raised a few taxes and lowered a few taxes; added some banking rules; regulated some markets here and there; shot a couple terrorists in the face but by and large the Obama crew has done nothing but accelerate the wealth gap at unprecedented levels. From day one Obama promised to address this issue. It's probably his number one concern and admittedly his number one failure.

I get it though. The other guys made it too difficult. Creepy bankers gonna creep. All along there was never anything he could do.