CDSF- (2)Blues vs (3)Blackhawks (Blues win 4-3)

[jayswin]

"It became clear when I went home and watched it on TV that it was wrong". WTF is that? Did he write that himself while still drunk last night?

Everything was okay until I saw myself doing it.

[Ashasx]

he also flipped off the ref on tv

[Galakanokis]

Originally Posted by jayswin

"It became clear when I went home and watched it on TV that it was wrong". WTF is that? Did he write that himself while still drunk last night?

Everything was okay until I saw myself doing it.

You have have never said anything in the middle of a fight or the heat of the moment that you do not 100% remember saying? Said something stupid to a loved one you never really meant? I don't see this as much different. Should he have said the word, no obviously not. But it is not like he had the time and came up with a well crafted gay bashing monologue. There are a lot more things out there to hang your hat on than a frustrated hockey player saying something stupid.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Galakanokis

You have have never said anything in the middle of a fight or the heat of the moment that you do not 100% remember saying? Said something stupid to a loved one you never really meant? I don't see this as much different. Should he have said the word, no obviously not. But it is not like he had the time and came up with a well crafted gay bashing monologue. There are a lot more things out there to hang your hat on than a frustrated hockey player saying something stupid.

I was just talking about his statement more so than what he felt. PR will typically tell players to just take responsibility and say they never should have said it.

Saying "I realized after that it was bad" isn't typical from what I've seen and leaves himself open to further criticism as opposed to the standard, unreserved apology.

[Hockeyguy15]

I assume he doesn't remember saying it because he doesn't really see it as being a big issue. I'm not saying he is homophobic or hates gay people, it's just that it was an 'acceptable' insult for so long and he likely doesn't understand the impact of the word yet. I mean if I was to racially slur someone on the ice I would remember it, but if you told me I called someone clown I would probably have a similar reaction because it wouldn't stand out in my mind.

Hopefully he can just treat this as a learning experience and not say it anymore, take his punishment and move on from it.

[metallicat]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Shaw's intention using the word has nothing to do with LGBT I'm sure. Saying it on the ice during an intense hockey game I really hope he doesn't get a suspension. Just not a fan of people taking ownership of words and telling you how you can use them. It's all about context and intent. A lot of words have multiple meanings and words change over time. A warning maybe to be careful what you say on the ice seems like enough.

I routinely like to call referees "stupid bundle of sticks" during men's league games.

[Galakanokis]

Originally Posted by jayswin

I was just talking about his statement more so than what he felt. PR will typically tell players to just take responsibility and say they never should have said it.

Saying "I realized after that it was bad" isn't typical from what I've seen and leaves himself open to further criticism as opposed to the standard, unreserved apology.

I get that. I was more going off of the fact that he may have never really realized that he said it until he watched it later. You can be told you did something but it doesn't really sink in until you see it for yourself.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

I won't say I hate it more than the offending comment itself but man do I think it is silly how much we rip people apart after they apologize.

Player commits offensive action. We denounce him by shouting from the rooftops at how much we won't condone his behaviour. Then when he apologizes we denounce him by shouting from the rooftops that we didn't like the particular phrasing he used when apologizing. Should he apologize for his apology? Or will we then denounce his apology for his apology?

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by AC

Those canned apologizes are meaningless when its painfully obvious its just a statement being submitted on his behalf by the team PR department.

So he should say nothing? I get that we're leary of public apologies, but it's the right thing to do.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by MissTeeks

THe Blackhawks should suspend Shaw.

[AC]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

So he should say nothing? I get that we're leary of public apologies, but it's the right thing to do.

No... like I just said it's meaningless when these words are not his. It's just canned damage control from the team, not the player.

I'd like to see him saying something, even if its insincere like it will be.

Releasing these statements comes across as hollow.

[kirant]

Originally Posted by jayswin

"It became clear when I went home and watched it on TV that it was wrong". WTF is that? Did he write that himself while still drunk last night?

Everything was okay until I saw myself doing it.

I think it's the only possible way they could correlate his already public answers with his apology. Remember, he's already stated that he doesn't remember what he said during the exchange. So, either true or not, his story must become that he went home, decided to look at footage of the event, then realized that what he said was entirely inappropriate.

I think the statement was less of a defence of his actions and not seeing them wrong in the moment and more arguing that he didn't remember his actions previously. This would mean that his lack of an apology earlier stems from his inability to recall the events.

[Galakanokis]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

I assume he doesn't remember saying it because he doesn't really see it as being a big issue. I'm not saying he is homophobic or hates gay people, it's just that it was an 'acceptable' insult for so long and he likely doesn't understand the impact of the word yet. I mean if I was to racially slur someone on the ice I would remember it, but if you told me I called someone clown I would probably have a similar reaction because it wouldn't stand out in my mind.

Hopefully he can just treat this as a learning experience and not say it anymore, take his punishment and move on from it.

This is the disconnect I have. My first thought when the "f" word is used is not related to gay people in the slightest but to an a-hole or douchbag. That's the initial connection made for and I may not be alone in that. It doesn't mean it is right but I also don't think it makes some one automatically homophobic like others are throwing around. It was dumb, learn and move on.

[united]

Originally Posted by AC

No... like I just said it's meaningless when these words are not his. It's just canned damage control from the team, not the player.

I'd like to see him saying something, even if its insincere like it will be.

Releasing these statements comes across as hollow.

He held a press conference where he spoke...unless I'm misunderstanding what you are saying.

[AC]

^ Yeah, looks like Shaw just gave a mini press conference to apologize. Much better than releasing just a statement.

Still doubt he means it, but at least he's making an effort

[Ashasx]

A lot of effort to avoid being suspended.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Galakanokis

This is the disconnect I have. My first thought when the "f" word is used is not related to gay people in the slightest but to an a-hole or douchbag. That's the initial connection made for and I may not be alone in that. It doesn't mean it is right but I also don't think it makes some one automatically homophobic like others are throwing around. It was dumb, learn and move on.

Oh okay, I guess that's where my disconnect was then. To me the word f***** was more in line with what you're describing pre-2005ish. I don't personally know too many people that still see that word as anything but a horribly inappropriate slur along the same line as any number of racial slurs in 2016.

Even comedians like Bill Burr and Louis CK that were famous for using it (Louis CK even has a famous bit on how the F word doesn't mean he's calling you gay it means you're being a f******) have come out and basically said "uhh yeah, I get it, not acceptable any more", and have dropped it from their acts.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Galakanokis

This is the disconnect I have. My first thought when the "f" word is used is not related to gay people in the slightest but to an a-hole or douchbag. That's the initial connection made for and I may not be alone in that. It doesn't mean it is right but I also don't think it makes some one automatically homophobic like others are throwing around.

That's the point. That's the problem.

[Robbob]

He also probably spent the morning deleting text messages

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by Robbob

He also probably spent the morning deleting text messages