GT: Federal Election

[Coach]

Trudeau, dude....

[CaptainCrunch]

the one thing I loved about this article was

Trudeau isn’t the first prime minister to miss an emergency debate. In 2014, Stephen Harper was absent from the late-night debate on Canada’s mission against the Islamic State in Iraq.

Oh that Harper, he's no better then Trudeau, except Harper wasn't at the debate because he was meeting with the PM of Ukraine.

Trudeau went to a book club.

Oh and Trudeau skipped the ISIL debate as well.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Reading into it where I can find it, it wasn't just Justin, it sounds like most of his senior Cabinet members bailed on the debate to go to this event.





https://www.buzzfeed.com/emmaloop/tr...-s#.lo7ZZ7ZGeG

Yeah, I saw that too. I just didn't want to link to a Buzzfeed article because I hate Buzzfeed.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by peter12

Absolutely, and also, attended some of the finest private schools in Central Canada. A complete hypocrite.l

He's just overcompensating for that privilege homie

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by MattyC

I totally agree this guy is an idiot, but why does this matter? His parents sent him to private school so he's not allowed to have opinions that might contradict that?

I grew up in one of the wealthiest communities in Canada, does that mean I don't get an opinion on inequality?

Well considering who his parents are, it kind of makes them hypocrites.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Yeah, I saw that too. I just didn't want to link to a Buzzfeed article because I hate Buzzfeed.

Yeah, I'm not a fan of it, but it was the first link that I found to it, because the normal news sources won't break it out probably til tomorrow.

[peter12]

His hypocrisy is obvious based on his complete unwillingness to listen to or understand someone with a genuine story of struggle, hardship, and eventual redemption. He is an ideologue, plain and simple, who puts his own fame and fortune above everything else.

He is the cancer that is destroying the left.

[Harry Lime]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...ticle29628869/

The Métis are “Indians” within the meaning of Canada’s 1867 Constitution, the Supreme Court ruled unanimously Thursday, setting the stage for possible negotiations over land and government education and health programs.

The ruling does not mean a direct order to Ottawa to provide certain programs and benefits to the Métis and non-status Indians. But it may change the framework in which Ottawa deals with the 450,000 members of the Métis community and 700,000 non-status Indians.

I assume that this is what Trudeau was talking about in his speech about big things coming for the Native communities in the coming years. This is after the 8.4B set aside for housing concerns. This seems to create more of a divide between Native people and everyone else, and really only supplies money.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...ticle29628869/



I assume that this is what Trudeau was talking about in his speech about big things coming for the Native communities in the coming years. This is after the 8.4B set aside for housing concerns. This seems to create more of a divide between Native people and everyone else, and really only supplies money.

Which won't be totally pilfered by corrupt native leaders I'm sure. God I wish we could get a government with the balls to just abolish the reserve system entirely, it's the only real solution to get that population out of poverty and misery and in-tune with the rest of Canada

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

Which won't be totally pilfered by corrupt native leaders I'm sure. God I wish we could get a government with the balls to just abolish the reserve system entirely, it's the only real solution to get that population out of poverty and misery and in-tune with the rest of Canada

Jean Chretien had an interesting viewpoint of what to do about this suicide crisis.
Take everyone at Attawapiskatt and move them south.

Now I don't know what to make of this comment, whether its keenly insightful or shows that he has a stark misunderstanding of the Native file which is stunning considering I believe that he was the Native Affairs Minister.

I may rail about the money being blown out a tree shredder, and I may firmly believe that the reservation System is a destructive system that needs to be either heavily reformed or junked. But the issue is so much more complex then that.

But there's not a solution that can be applied without creating hurt feelings to say the least on either side of the divide.

We can't simply abolish the reservation system, because frankly it goes against the Natives desire to self govern. And yes we have what feels like a lot of corrupt chiefs who almost seem at war with their own people. But we also forget that there are some chiefs that have done incredible jobs with their reservations economically.

We clearly can't allow for blanket self government though, we've seen incredibly corrupt chiefs like Theresa Spence comes to mind, she should have been jailed instead of sitting there during a fake hunger strike with our future prime minister crying crocodile tears. And its lead to poor schooling, water crisis, suicide crisis, and poor housing and a general sense of giving up. This is happening even though we're spending billions of the problem.

I think that in terms of reforming the reservation system, you almost have to do two things.

Allow Natives to own reservation property, I think thats huge. I think that there can be self government at some point, but I do think that Harper was right in terms of asking the question, where the hell is the money going, and we want public disclosure to control the corruption. I think he was too ruthless about it, but I think it was the right track. But I think that control has to come with a reformation of native leadership. I think that ultimately if Natives want self government then all of the cash put out by the Federal Government has to go through a native ruling body instead of going to individual reservations. think of him like a Prime Minister level person. If there's vanishing money or reservation crisis where money vanishes the buck stops with this guy, and he has to keep the reservation leaderships in line. Piss away the money on a zamboni instead of your water supply, that's a boot up your a$$.

But I think that Native Affairs has pretty much resigned themselves to the fact that this is an unfixable problem, so the solution, throw money at it, when there's an emergency that could be embarrassing throw money at it and hope it goes away.

Its a tired broken system, rule by corruption and self interest and its being aided by a tired and broken Native Affairs department.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

Which won't be totally pilfered by corrupt native leaders I'm sure. God I wish we could get a government with the balls to just abolish the reserve system entirely, it's the only real solution to get that population out of poverty and misery and in-tune with the rest of Canada

It has nothing to do with "having the balls." Abolishing the reserves violates both Canadian constitutional law and international law

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by rubecube

It has nothing to do with "having the balls." Abolishing the reserves violates both Canadian constitutional law and international law

Constitutional law shouldn't be a suicide pact, and yes I meant that pun.

[2Stonedbirds]

Originally Posted by rubecube

It has nothing to do with "having the balls." Abolishing the reserves violates both Canadian constitutional law and international law

Then give the land to the natives, and they can divvy up all the land titles amongst those on the reserves.

They can keep the reserve. But it's no longer crown land and it's theirs to maintain and manage.

It will be owned by evil whitey in a week.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by rubecube

It has nothing to do with "having the balls." Abolishing the reserves violates both Canadian constitutional law and international law

The reserve system needs to be abolished, full stop. But that obviously needs to be done via proper negotiations. It will also require both sides to be willing to integrate. And that is going to require generations.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

Then give the land to the natives, and they can divvy up all the land titles amongst those on the reserves.

They can keep the reserve. But it's no longer crown land and it's theirs to maintain and manage.

It will be owned by evil whitey in a week.

That is brilliantly simplistic, and as Rubecube notes, completely illegal. These are all governed by treaties.

[worth]

I have a suggestion for a book that you guys might find interesting. It's called The Inconvenient Indian. I'm sure a lot of you have probably heard of this book or have read it even, but it is powerful, and I think we all agree that we need to understand the past to make a better future for everyone.

Can't recommend it enough, it's an easy read as well.

https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00...ie=UTF8&btkr=1

[peter12]

That book is an ideological mess. Read "The Invented Indian" for a real kick.

[2Stonedbirds]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

That is brilliantly simplistic, and as Rubecube notes, completely illegal. These are all governed by treaties.

I realize that, however at some point we have to give these people the tools so they can fish. Handing them a fish is clearly not working.

No integration, systemic substance abuse and no hope for the future, plus no ownership creates this cycle that we are all trapped in.

[worth]

Originally Posted by peter12

That book is an ideological mess. Read "The Invented Indian" for a real kick.

Can you expand? Would like to hear.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

The reserve system needs to be abolished, full stop. But that obviously needs to be done via proper negotiations. It will also require both sides to be willing to integrate. And that is going to require generations.

The international conventions on indigenous self-determination make it a lot more complex than simple integration.