15/16 Goaltending Review

[Da_Chief]

I'd like to get Jake Allen from St.Louis. Proven and fits the age group.

Of course depends on Blues if they're moving forward with Elliott.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Flames need a goalie badly, might even overpay. Rumours of new rules coming in to downsize equipment. This has nightmare written all over it.

[Vulcan]

I'd take Ramo back as a backup goalie. He wouldn't be getting $3.8M though, more like half that. I'd also re-sign Ortio to push Ramo but there wouldn't be any three goalie system. One of them is cut, waived and sent to the minors after training camp unless Ramo is still not ready from his injury.

I'm biased to signing Reimer as he costs no assets, but what do I know.

[cowtown75]

There is a young goalie out there I would love to see the Flames take a run at. He is not a proven starter yet as he is currently behind one of the best, but what I have seen from this guy makes me think he may be an outstanding goalie in the very near future. He is young and can grow with the team and plays exceptionally well right now when he is given a shot.

Andrei Vasilevskiy. This guy looks amazing and IMO has the potential to be an all-star in the very near future. I am certain that Tampa will run with Bishop for quite awhile and this guy will want to be out of that shadow soon I would guess. He will be 22 in July and is close to the age of many of our young stars on the team.

That being said, I have no idea what it would take to get him as he is a former 1st rounder ( 19th overall ) in 2012. And I am not sure who else Tampa has in the pipeline goaltending prospects wise, but, I just have a really good gut feeling about this guy.

Personally, I would rather go after younger goalies with huge upsides than goalies in their 30's or close to in order for them to grow with the team for the future. And my gut tells me that this Vasilevskiy is gonna be " some kind of goalie ! ".

[Street Pharmacist]

The whole reason that Bishop is likely available to that Vasilevsky is a much cheaper but very good goalie that could allow TB to trade bishop and free up the space needed for lots of raises coming

[cowtown75]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

The whole reason that Bishop is likely available to that Vasilevsky is a much cheaper but very good goalie that could allow TB to trade bishop and free up the space needed for lots of raises coming

I see your point. However, TB is a good team now and is a contender with Bishop. I'm not sure how comfortable Stevie Y would be running with a rookie goalie on a contending team right now. Bishop is in his prime and will be for a few years to come. I think Stevie Y would rather build around that.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by cowtown75

I see your point. However, TB is a good team now and is a contender with Bishop. I'm not sure how comfortable Stevie Y would be running with a rookie goalie on a contending team right now. Bishop is in his prime and will be for a few years to come. I think Stevie Y would rather build around that.

Bit then he loses Stamkos for sure and has trouble keeping everyone else

[cowtown75]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Bit then he loses Stamkos for sure and has trouble keeping everyone else

I guess TB will have to see how they do in the playoffs without Stamkos. I still feel that a proven #1 on Tampa is what Stevie Y needs and wants. There is much talent on that team without Stamkos and if Stamkos leaves, Stevie Y will more than have enough cap room to sign Bishop.

I guess my point is- without Bishop, they would not be the team they are or the contender they are and I don't think Stevie Y is going to move Bishop knowing this. He would be crazy to. I believe Yzerman will keep Bishop because he understands contending teams need a proven #1 goalie. If he moved Bishop in favor of Vasilevskiy I would be shocked. Even for cap reasons. He might as well start another re-build or hope to hell Vasilevskiy pans out and Stevie Y isn't much of a gambler.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

The whole reason that Bishop is likely available to that Vasilevsky is a much cheaper but very good goalie that could allow TB to trade bishop and free up the space needed for lots of raises coming

Could also be that Yzerman sees the writing on the wall (pardon the pun) and he doesn't think Bishop will be as effective without the massive equipment he wears. Vasilevsky is a much better athletic goaltender while Bishop just plays a wall style. Without that big equipment advantage and a huge reduction in sweater, Bishop's game is likely to suffer.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Reimer has very similar numbers to what Dubnyk had leading up to his contract with Minnesota. Reimer will also be the same age Dubnyk was when he signed his contract.

Dubnyk received a 6 year $26,000,000 deal ($4,333,333 AAV)

Now, granted Minnesota was able to "test drive" Dubnyk for half a season before signing him, and he lit it up with Vezina quality numbers. But the season before that he had a terrible season with Edmonton, Nashville and then in the AHL with Montreal's affiliate.

I certainly wouldn't go with that term on Reimer, 3-4 years at around $4.5-$5.0 million is probably realistic given his career numbers behind some pretty bad teams.

Dubnyk received that contract after he went on a miraculous run, led Wild to the playoffs and if IIRC was nominated for the Vezina. Reimer hasn't done that.
No way do I sign him to that kind of contract.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Dubnyk received that contract after he went on a miraculous run, led Wild to the playoffs and if IIRC was nominated for the Vezina. Reimer hasn't done that.
No way do I sign him to that kind of contract.

Lol yeah, I know. Pretty much said all that right in the post you quoted.

Skim much?

[jmac98]

Calgary needs a goalie in the worst way, but what is encouraging is the number of options they will have. It's almost the perfect time to need a goalie being in that it will be a buyers market with little to no competition to secure one.

There will be some solid options on free agents if they wish to go that route, or there is going to be a host of teams with two goalies that may be willing to make a move either for cap reasons (e.g. Tampa) or protection purposes (e.g. Anaheim).

Whether Calgary uses some draft some pics or roster moves to discover a goalie, or if they just view the open market, I don't feel I'll be disappointed. Elliott, Allen, Reimer, Bishop, Andersen, Fleury, Murray, etc. There's a bevy of options with various scenarios that will ultimately unfold to make some of these players available. I have my preferences as we all do, however, it's going to take some ineptitude to truly swing and miss on this.

[SportsJunky]

I'm in the Reimer camp. He's unrestricted which I think is the way to go right now. Calgary can sign a Ufa goalie and use the picks/prospects they would have traded for Bishop as an example and put it towards some skaters. Plus, something is nagging me about Bishop. Maybe it's the smaller equipment thing.

My 2nd choice would be one of the Allen/Elliot tandem.

[66Dukester]

Is there any interest in signing one of the NCAA prospects? Personally I see Michael Garteig as a viable option to push Gillies in Stockton. Not a realistic next year flames option, but we've got to keep the cupboard full of prospects

[polak]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Rumour was he was looking for 5 year 5+ million per. Granted that does not mean he will see get that but i think 3 year $4.5 million is about as low you are going to get Reimer for. I'm really hoping Reimer is option c or d when it comes to acqurirng a new goalie.

Also i'm not sold that the flames are really that high on Reimer. They could of had him for a 3rd/4th round pick well before the deadline. Thats not giving up that much if you believe in the goalie.

I could live with 3 but would prefer 2.

Hiller was a better, albeit older, goalie and way more consistent before we signed him. I don't see how Reimer can expect much more than that (also my reasoning for wanting as short of term as possible).

Can you imagine if we were stuck with Hiller for two more years?

[dammage79]

How Reimer fares if he plays at all in the playoffs will dictate how big of a raise he gets in UFA.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Lol yeah, I know. Pretty much said all that right in the post you quoted.

Skim much?

No I read your whole post. You used Dubnyk as a comparable, pointed out some differences, then suggested signing Reimer at a higher AAV (albeit with a shorter tem). I don't agree that Dubnyk is a comparable, and I especially don't want to be signing Reimer to the contract you suggested.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

I'd like to get Jake Allen from St.Louis. Proven and fits the age group.

Of course depends on Blues if they're moving forward with Elliott.

Whichever one they decide to go with, I'd love the other one

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by btimbit

Whichever one they decide to go with, I'd love the other one

Why wouldn't they just go with the tandem again? Elliott is UFA after next year.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

No I read your whole post. You used Dubnyk as a comparable, pointed out some differences, then suggested signing Reimer at a higher AAV (albeit with a shorter tem). I don't agree that Dubnyk is a comparable, and I especially don't want to be signing Reimer to the contract you suggested.

Well yeah, term makes a big difference.

3 years at $5 million is only $15 million compared to the $26 million Dubnyk got. That's a huge difference for two goalies with ridiculously similar career numbers (wins/losses/GAA/save %)