Godless Apostate

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by T@T

Funny, the last thing on my mind to describe Nage Waza is "creationist".

People dedicate years or even all their lives on silly things all the time but if they want to debate their craft they should expect to be called out for it.

If someone like Textcritic wants to devote which must be an enormous amount of time on ancient writings and fairy tales that's his right but if he uses these story's as fact in a debate I think even he knows arseholes like me will pounce on him.(or at least try)

I do however respect Text because at least it's part of his job. It's the bible thumpers who literary believe this crap that gets me all riled up.

If you can't tell the difference between Text and a Bible thumper then this entire debate was for naught.

[2Stonedbirds]

I wish I could understand why someone could be so upset at someone else's personal beliefs?

Who cares? If you don't agree, so what? That's on you, your hang ups are your own problem.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

I suppose the problem is what religious people accept as evidence. It is a good thing the scientific community has different standards.

You do realize that you are essentially arguing against science here, not for it? The scientific community of linguists, historians and experts of religion have reached the conclusion that Jesus was probably real, using the methods and standards of their own fields.

Unless of course you're one of those people who doesn't consider those fields to be "real science". (Which is not a completely unfair view if you ask me, but that's a whole different topic.)

And no, not all of those people are Christians. I personally know an atheist who studies religions and psychology and has studied birth of Christianity as a part of studying religious cults in general. Through him I've also met a Muslim who studies early Christian Theology. I'm sure they're not the only two such people in the world.

If fact I would hazard a guess that very actively Christian people are not the kind who would usually be into studying the historical Jesus. After all, that would introduce person into all sorts of fleshy and earthly stuff that doesn't sound holy and miraculous at all, but is just rather generic and normal. Such as his many brothers and sisters, how likely it was that he had his own family and kids (some say quite likely), how his teachings echo previous religious texts etc. etc.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

I wish I could understand why someone could be so upset at someone else's personal beliefs?

You don't need to look very hard to see that religion is the biggest "evil" on this planet, and it's not even close. Without organized religion there would be much less hate, racism, bigotry, intolerance, basic human rights and prejudice can all be tied to religion. People all over the world still suffer from starvation and disease as their countries rulers sit back in a palace eating caviar and could care less because it's "gods" will.

If science had even 10% of the money spent on these fairy tales we would have cures for many medical problems and we'd be walking on mars already.

I said it many times, and nothing personal to anyone but if a person believes in a religious GOD these days they are either weak,stupid(uneducated) or both. There is zero reason to believe in such hogwash.

Originally Posted by corporatejay

If you can't tell the difference between Text and a Bible thumper then this entire debate was for naught.

I never said Text was a bible thumper, I'm not sure he's even religious.

[2Stonedbirds]

Zero reason to believe other than their right to do so.

To be frank being lectured about bigotry and intolerance is kinda rich coming from a guy who has in the past said he'd like to see the Middle East turned into one big glass bowl.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

Zero reason to believe other than their right to do so.

To be frank being lectured about bigotry and intolerance is kinda rich coming from a guy who has in the past said he'd like to see the Middle East turned into one big glass bowl.

Can you please point me to where I said I would like to see that?

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

Zero reason to believe other than their right to do so.

To be frank being lectured about bigotry and intolerance is kinda rich coming from a guy who has in the past said he'd like to see the Middle East turned into one big glass bowl.

Originally Posted by T@T

Can you please point me to where I said I would like to see that?

Oh God, not this again!!!

[T@T]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Oh God, not this again!!!

They keep accusing me, I keep asking for proof and nothing. Why is that?

[peter12]

Came in for misuse of Occam's Razor. Left satisfied. Typical canard raised by atheists.

[2Stonedbirds]

Because I'm not McGruff the Crime Dog.

It's out there somewhere, and I can't be bothered to look for it. To be fair you could have been drunk, I'm not sure.

Look I'm not a fan of organized religion either T@T, I don't go to church. But I also don't care who does. And we happen to live in a part of the world where we can exercise the freedom to believe in whatever deity or doctrine that we want. Just because I don't agree with someones personal beliefs doesn't mean I'm willing to flush them down the crapper because it offends me in some way.

I am not nearly educated enough in this area to engage or debate someone like TextCritic. But his, and others debate points and reasoning is more enjoyable to read than "Religion is what's ****ed the world and we could do this if we didn't do that" over and over. When I read that all I could think of is the millions of lives either executed, or starved out in forced labour camps by Atheistic governments in the past, and present. In short, the fantasy of a Atheist world can lick my shnuts.

I'd much rather we live in a society where people may respect "the golden rule" and so on, even if they don't really buy into specific doctrine, cause that sure beats the hell out of having a nihilistic population that lives for today and for ones self.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Itse

...Unless of course you're one of those people who doesn't consider those fields to be "real science". (Which is not a completely unfair view if you ask me, but that's a whole different topic.)...

Not at all unfair. And it is important to point out that there are HUGE differences between conducting natural science and social science. Although I will say the social sciences have gotten much better, more rigorous, interesting and useful over the course of the past several decades. In the end, those of us who engage in social science remain painfully aware of its limitations; but that is really the important part here: so long as I am aware and can see the flaws in my own observations and models, then the danger of developing a misplaced hubris in the precision of my study is avoided.

Originally Posted by T@T

I never said Text was a bible thumper, I'm not sure he's even religious.

This is terrific. If you cannot tell from my responses my religious convictions, then it suggests that I am doing something right.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by T@T

It's the bible thumpers who literary believe this crap that gets me all riled up.

I can't fathom why you care what others believe. If religion gives someone purpose and meaning in their lives you should be happy for them.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by T@T

Can you please point me to where I said I would like to see that?

2Stonedbirds is right. I do remember you making that comment. If I knew how to dig that comment up I would.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Dion

I can't fathom why you care what others believe. If religion gives someone purpose and meaning in their lives you should be happy for them.

I have explained my views many times on this, as recently as today, look at post 1444

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Dion

2Stonedbirds is right. I do remember you making that comment. If I knew how to dig that comment up I would.

That's BS, the only thing even close was when I posted a pic of a nuke and said something like "this is the only way this madness goes away"

Fact is people like you don't like my views on religion and are resorting to making crap up, I have never said I would want to slaughter everyone in the Middle East ..ever. So just piss off with the lies.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by T@T

I have explained my views many times on this, as recently as today, look at post 1444

Yes I read your insultig and condescending remarks towards those who believe. It's one of many reasons posters here take such negitive views of you and your takes on religion. You'd rather insult people as opposed to engage in any discussions.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Dion

Yes I read your insultig and condescending remarks towards those who believe. It's one of many reasons posters here take such negitive views of you and your takes on religion. You'd rather insult people as opposed to engage in any discussions.

Did I insult you? If it seemed personal I apologize as it's not my intent to be personal.

And I have never turned down a discussion on religion or a religious god, I don't think it's insulting showing people they are wrong, I would gladly like to have someone show me I'm wrong on this subject but for 40 odd years nobody can show me one shred of evidence to change my mind. and you might find it hard to believe but I'm a very open minded person.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by T@T

That's BS, the only thing even close was when I posted a pic of a nuke and said something like "this is the only way this madness goes away"

Fact is people like you don't like my views on religion and are resorting to making crap up, I have never said I would want to slaughter everyone in the Middle East ..ever. So just piss off with the lies.

Originally Posted by T@T

And if it got out what they did in prison....and now "the rest of the story"

Maybe we should just huddle all the woman and children together on some safe island and turn the whole middle east into a glass parking lot for the next 1000 years. I truly believe my head could stand it more than the what seems like weekly crazy events that come from there.

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthr...ot#post1787610

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

I don't want to speak for sworkhard or anyone else, but I think you missed the point there.
You sound like a creationist because you completely dismiss evidence that you aren't familiar with, don't understand, and apparently refuse to admit even exists.

I don't refuse that 'evidence' exists, I just do not consider it evidence of anything. Any by repeating that I unfamiliar/don't understand does not make it true, it makes you look bad by insulting someone you are engaging in a debate.

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

You dismiss the opinions of people who have dedicated years/lives/careers to studying this particular subject and seem to scoff at entire fields of study, even though you yourself have no expertise in the subject.

So if someone spends years searching for ghosts or the Lockness Monster, how dare I debate their findings? How absurd.

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

You have made up your mind for whatever reason and have told us that you won't even consider alternatives because you know the truth.

You realize what is being debated here? Not the fact the religion is based on a man made story, not if a small portion of the story is real, but if there is evidence of Jesus existing.

Just a quick look at the definition of evidence: The available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.

There is no real body of facts indicating that Jesus existed, although there is some early writings, which would barely count even as circumstantial evidence. Although the information is interesting, it certainly does not settle this debate.

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

So yeah, just like a creationist.

Creationist as in Christian creationists? You realize how dumb this is? Someone should post stats of those that believe Jesus was real (with our without super powers) and if creationism is real.

I have said nothing wrong and instead have multiple insults directed at me for saying what we should all know is true. I am also not trying to be insulting. All of us should have a higher standard for proof and evidence and to be able to question things.

Shameful.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by Dion

Yes I read your insultig and condescending remarks towards those who believe. It's one of many reasons posters here take such negitive views of you and your takes on religion. You'd rather insult people as opposed to engage in any discussions.

Dion you jumped in with a few drive by (very light) smears of my posts which were uncalled for, and you don't call out other people when they are doing this.

Are you only complaining about those you don't agree with? Rise above that.