2015/2016 Trade Speculation and Rumors v2

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

I think you're cherry picking and no GM will see him that way. He's got more than 22 points once in the last 4 years.

They know what they're getting. A broken down 33 year old powerplay specialist who is a defensive liability on a top 4 salary. That's negative value. If you trade Wideman, you add a pick and very a worse pick out salary dump back

Talk about cherry picking...one of those seasons was locked out for half.

Wiseman has pretty consistently been a .5 ppg defenseman in his time in the NHL. That is pretty amazing and given his last season he clearly still has "it", even if he's going to continue to slowly decline. Some teams would see him as having negative value, others may see value with salary retained or a lesser cap dump back, etc. I think I saw that Tre was trying to move him last summer with no takers? Well with another year off that contract I wouldn't be surprised to see him traded mid season next year.

Also he'd be the Oilers #1 d-man so there's that. Lol.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by heep223

Talk about cherry picking...one of those seasons was locked out for half.

Wiseman has pretty consistently been a .5 ppg defenseman in his time in the NHL. That is pretty amazing and given his last season he clearly still has "it", even if he's going to continue to slowly decline. Some teams would see him as having negative value, others may see value with salary retained or a lesser cap dump back, etc. I think I saw that Tre was trying to move him last summer with no takers? Well with another year off that contract I wouldn't be surprised to see him traded mid season next year.

Also he'd be the Oilers #1 d-man so there's that. Lol.

I was cherry picking, that was the point.

He got 19 points in 51 games and was awful defensively. I'm not sure he's got anything left in the tank and he's $5.5M. At half that he may have some value but it's still far below Yakupov's value IMO. Yakupov will fetch at a 2nd I'd think and Wideman certainly won't get you that

[bubbsy]

curious to see the cap hits.

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[Poe969]

I thought for sure Kadri would end up a canuck...it just seems like a perfect match.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

Wideman at 50% retained would definitely have value. Teams are always looking for depth on defense. Some of you act like the guy's Justin Schultz. He's horrible relative to his peers that make equal money, but he's not completely incompetent as a #5 guy for $2.5mil/year.

Yeah IMO this will likely be the easiest route to move him as a team like the Coyotes or Hurricanes that have no problems absorbing the cap hit. I have a feeling that after goaltending that the next highest priority for Treliving will be to unload Wideman as I simply don't see him back in the lineup next season after the way things went down this year.

[MarkGio]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

I was cherry picking, that was the point.

He got 19 points in 51 games and was awful defensively. I'm not sure he's got anything left in the tank and he's $5.5M. At half that he may have some value but it's still far below Yakupov's value IMO. Yakupov will fetch at a 2nd I'd think and Wideman certainly won't get you that

So once more you're cherry picking his latest season, after he got a career high? He's also got an expiring contract, which is a bonus and he's in high demand due to being a righty. How do you think he got his $5.5 contract to begin with?

[Weitz]

Wideman to the Oilers would only happen with someone like Korpikoski going back. Oilers wouldn't trade Yak to Calgary IMO.

Otherwise I don't think it would happen.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

So once more you're cherry picking his latest season, after he got a career high? He's also got an expiring contract, which is a bonus and he's in high demand due to being a righty. How do you think he got his $5.5 contract to begin with?

I'm not cherry picking, I'm pointing out his most recent season.

He got that contract and it was widely panned as being an overpayment. Outside of last season, I think everyone would agree. Agree to disagree I guess, but I don't think there are many gms lining up to take Wideman regardless of money retained unless there's more value going out or bad contact coming back

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

I'm not cherry picking, I'm pointing out his most recent season.

He got that contract and it was widely panned as being an overpayment. Outside of last season, I think everyone would agree. Agree to disagree I guess, but I don't think there are many gms lining up to take Wideman regardless of money retained unless there's more value going out or bad contact coming back

I too have to disagree. While this season wasn't great, he's certainly not last in P/$MM (ahead of guys like Bouwmeester, Enstrom, Hamhuis, and Girardi). He still has significant value as an offensive piece, something with costs quite a bit and is still valued by team.

If we retained 1-1.5 million Wideman's point per dollar value would be right there with the majority of players in the 4-6 million range and he'd be a great pick up.

[Poe969]

I'm guessing a few teams will be going hard after Keith Yandle and one of the teams that doesn't get him will be looking for a guy like Wideman to be a PP specialist.

There will be a market for him this summer.

[Flash Walken]

Wideman's offense is freakin' useless when his consistently bad defense costs you games.

Disconnect between Fans and Managers in hockey. Guys who can kill a game for you are not desireable commodities regardless of their personal accomplishments.

There's a reason Wideman's only steady tenure in his career has been with a largely basement dwelling flames team and a Boston Bruins team that shipped him out and won the cup the next season.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Wideman's offense is freakin' useless when his consistently bad defense costs you games.

Disconnect between Fans and Managers in hockey. Guys who can kill a game for you are not desireable commodities regardless of their personal accomplishments.

There's a reason Wideman's only steady tenure in his career has been with a largely basement dwelling flames team and a Boston Bruins team that shipped him out and won the cup the next season.

Here's the thing: Is Chicago, LA, or Washington going to go after Wideman? Of course not.

But there a lot of teams (some Canadian) who aren't very good, where defence is a problem, and where an offensively gifted but defensively liable Wideman is still a huge upgrade for their top 4. Just because contenders aren't going to be begging to acquire Wideman doesn't mean no teams are.

If the reason for your above situation is because Wideman is only desired by non-contending teams with less than stellar GMs, lucky us, that's a wide net.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Guys who can kill a game for you are not desireable commodities regardless of their personal accomplishments.

[burnitdown]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Here's the thing: Is Chicago, LA, or Washington going to go after Wideman? Of course not.

But there a lot of teams (some Canadian) who aren't very good, where defence is a problem, and where an offensively gifted but defensively liable Wideman is still a huge upgrade for their top 4. Just because contenders aren't going to be begging to acquire Wideman doesn't mean no teams are.

If the reason for your above situation is because Wideman is only desired by non-contending teams with less than stellar GMs, lucky us, that's a wide net.

Unlucky us - Wideman has a no movement clause and will likely only waive it to play on a contender.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by burnitdown

Unlucky us - Wideman has a no movement clause and will likely only waive it to play on a contender.

You don't think he'd waive to play on a team where he'd get 1st pairing minutes and 1st unit PP time? He shouldn't be getting either of those with the Flames.

He's in a contract year remember.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by burnitdown

Unlucky us - Wideman has a no movement clause and will likely only waive it to play on a contender.

This has been mentioned in this past when it comes to moving Wideman, but don't forget this is a contract year.

If it's explained to him the Flames want to move on and don't feel there's a role for him, he might view his diminished opportunity to prove himself in a contract year a big concern and embrace the chance to go somewhere where he'll have ample opportunity to rebound and put up some numbers to set up his retirement contract.

I don't think the whole "Widemen won't agree to a trade" stipulation is as big a concern as it once was. I think he wants to play and that will open some things up.

[Toonage]

I wonder how much the embarrassment of the season (for many reasons) weighs on him? Maybe he'd like a fresh start elsewhere where the cloud of this past season maybe wouldn't loom as low around him?

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by burnitdown

Unlucky us - Wideman has a no movement clause and will likely only waive it to play on a contender.

It's his contract year. All the Flames have to do is tell him, "Hey Dennis, you're going to be bottom pairing for us next year and we're gonna play Hamilton and Nakladal ahead of you on the powerplay. Would you rather go to a team where you'll play top 4 and 1st PP unit?" Hard for Wideman to say no, although perhaps he would only in the case of EDM

[saillias]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

It's his contract year. All the Flames have to do is tell him, hey you're going to be bottom pairing for us next year and we're gonna play Hamilton and Nakladal ahead of you on the powerplay.

Wideman will laugh and counter with "You might want that to happen but guess where Hartley plays me"

[Roof-Daddy]

I wonder if there's any way the Caps would move Tom Wilson. That's a blossoming power forward with a mean streak.

Trade for him, sign Lucic and all of a sudden the Flames are not very nice to play against at all.

1. Gaudreau - Monahan - Laine ()
2A. Colborne - Backlund - Frolik
2B. M. Lucic - Bennett - Wilson