2016 Garbage bag day @ the dome

[Flames Draft Watcher]

I'm sure someone will do a detailed one but the super short version is:
-goals against is the biggest thing that needs to improve
-faceoffs on special teams weren't good enough

[Toonage]

- Goaltending was poor, needs to be improved and they will all sit down to discuss it
- Easy to accept roles and assignments when you win, harder when you lose. Last year was hard but they could weather difficulty because they had positive momentum. Bad start this year.
- Francis asks if Hartley will be back next year. Hartley says he never coaches to save his job, always coaches to do whats best for his club
(going off memory for the above)
- 3 goalies, knew it didn't work, thought they would reinvent the art of goaltending (facetious?), hoped it would work
- towards the end of the year just kept working, draw the line between common sense and the player's mindset being a non playoff team
- players bought in to that culture
- can't decide when to play your way or the right way. Always play the right way.
- Consistency came up a lot in conversation. Inconsistency at this level means you have to be good every day and they were not
- Praises Brad Treliving's tireless work ethic. Knows every player. Like an encyclopedia
- Sees he and Brad as partners. Always discussing players. Discuss trades, signings, team play
- Bad start created doubt. Last year they were counted out too soon. This year they were expected to overachieve.
- Next step for Gaudreau - keep playing a complete game in all 3 zones, this applies to whole team

Bob Hartley is really hard to transcribe. Might be best to find the audio on Sportsnet 960 when its up.

Have to go, will try to add if I can later

[rohara66]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Remember if he trashes the goaltending he's trashing Ortio and Ramo so rather than go that route and say they were terrible he talks about the early team struggles. I just don't understand why we have to trash the guy on his way out the door. After two years of nothing he's all of a sudden a bad guy and teammate on garbage day? Tough crowd. Things didn't work out but let's not go all Oilers fan and trash players on the way out as its petty.

Also some revisionist history going on here as Kipper was the first guy sneaking out the back door on garbage bag day.

Hiller has been a crybaby all season, throwing blame on the defense when clearly he couldn't stop a beach ball. Crying about not getting enough starts when he couldn't win a game. This is a business and he's paid money to stop the puck which he couldn't do this year. He's a veteran player that should have said 'I didn't play good enough, I needed to be better, thanks for everything Calgary'. He didn't do any of those things. With what Hiller has said today and previously this season he deserves all the hate he's receiving from Flames fans.

This discussion on Hiller has absolutely nothing to do with Kipper BTW.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Remember if he trashes the goaltending he's trashing Ortio and Ramo so rather than go that route and say they were terrible he talks about the early team struggles. I just don't understand why we have to trash the guy on his way out the door. After two years of nothing he's all of a sudden a bad guy and teammate on garbage day? Tough crowd. Things didn't work out but let's not go all Oilers fan and trash players on the way out as its petty.

Also some revisionist history going on here as Kipper was the first guy sneaking out the back door on garbage bag day.

I don't think that disliking and disagreeing with his comments is trashing him. If he simply owned up to his mistakes I'm sure the reactions on here would be different, but "I don't think goaltending was terrible" is simply a ridiculous statement after posting one of the worst numbers in the post lockout era, sorry.

good presser by Hartley. Very honest and fair assessment I think.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

positives were that the team kept working and the compete level was high
its not about playing your way, its not about playing my way, it's about playing the right way
Treliving is one of the hardest working if not the hardest working guy in the business
watches junior, college, ahl, encyclopedic knowledge
consults the coaches and is great to work with

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Inferno

He could have said something like "I'm not going to comment on Karri and Joni's play but as far as mine goes,...".

First of all English isn't his first language and that was the question tabled. Second of all he's a free agent looking for work. You want him to say something like; "Yep the team missed the playoffs because of me. I was terrible. It's all on me." I really don't have an issue with what he said as the team play was horrendous in the first two months of the season and periods after and he didn't want to throw the goaltenders under the boat.

You know we have a thread here dedicated to ridiculing the Oilers and their fans and yet posters here want to jump on the bandwagon and give Hiller the exact same treatment that Oilers fans gave Scrivens last season. Sorry but I'm simply not going to stoop to those levels and I would hope that other posters here that think they are above Oilers fans that they would take the high road here and move on.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

He earned the right to dodge media at the end of the season because he's Kipper? Sorry that doesn't cut it especially when you trash a goaltender that faces the media and answers the tough questions on garbage day after a disappointing season.

It's Kipper, we've all heard his interviews. They weren't exactly anything earth shattering. We weren't missing anything at all when he left early.

Media interviews of hockey players are just the worst anyway. Just a bunch of cliched answers to cliched questions.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by nik-

It's Kipper, we've all heard his interviews. They weren't exactly anything earth shattering. We weren't missing anything at all when he left early.

Media interviews of hockey players are just the worst anyway. Just a bunch of cliched answers to cliched questions.

So why is everyone making a big deal of Hiller's comments then?

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

So why is everyone making a big deal of Hiller's comments then?

Because he played like ass all year and then deflected blame. I personally don't care, I'm just glad that we don't have to deal with a player that put out one of the most shameless professional sports performances I've ever seen in the last part of the season.

[btimbit]

Treliving up next

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by nik-

Because he played like ass all year and then deflected blame. I personally don't care, I'm just glad that we don't have to deal with a player that put out one of the most shameless professional sports performances I've ever seen in the last part of the season.

It wasn't shameless as he wasn't dogging it or not trying. He just wasn't good. You expect him to say "no thanks coach" when Hartley tells him he's starting the next game? Look I'm ecstatic that Hiller and Ramo won't be part of the organization going forward but I'm not going to trash them as they were guys that help get the team into round 2 of the playoffs in an incredibly fun season in 2015. It didn't work out this season but it may work out into getting the team a high quality player in the draft so everything works out and you just move on. None of this petty blame everything on one or two players and try to accuse them of being bad guys nonsense.

[rohara66]

Are you Jonas Hiller?

He was bad this year and based on the interviews I've heard/read all he did was deflect blame on others when he should be blaming himself for his poor performance (ie: see Giordano's comments).

[doctajones428]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

It wasn't shameless as he wasn't dogging it or not trying. He just wasn't good. You expect him to say "no thanks coach" when Hartley tells him he's starting the next game? Look I'm ecstatic that Hiller and Ramo won't be part of the organization going forward but I'm not going to trash them as they were guys that help get the team into round 2 of the playoffs in an incredibly fun season in 2015. It didn't work out this season but it may work out into getting the team a high quality player in the draft so everything works out and you just move on.

Oh give it up. Hiller was the absolute worst goaltender in the league this year and he deflected all the blame onto the D. Ortio bounced back. Ramo bounced back. Hiller didn't. He should have just said he wasn't good enough, the end.

I'm happy for the run he helped us achieve last year, but he needs to take some accountability for his play, he was beyond brutal this year, even after the defensemen tightened up

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Treliving: "We need to hold onto the puck longer"

This is the one thing that I've viewed as a significant weakness. Hartley's strategy of collapsing around the goalie isn't tenable long term.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

It wasn't shameless as he wasn't dogging it or not trying. He just wasn't good. You expect him to say "no thanks coach" when Hartley tells him he's starting the next game? Look I'm ecstatic that Hiller and Ramo won't be part of the organization going forward but I'm not going to trash them as they were guys that help get the team into round 2 of the playoffs in an incredibly fun season in 2015. It didn't work out this season but it may work out into getting the team a high quality player in the draft so everything works out and you just move on. None of this petty blame everything on one or two players and try to accuse them of being bad guys nonsense.

lol, he absolutely was dogging it. I don't know how you could watch his play and attitude and think he was giving effort.

Embarrassing performance on his part and it ensured his ass is out of the league. Not sure why anyone would defend his play.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

First of all English isn't his first language and that was the question tabled. Second of all he's a free agent looking for work. You want him to say something like; "Yep the team missed the playoffs because of me. I was terrible. It's all on me." I really don't have an issue with what he said as the team play was horrendous in the first two months of the season and periods after and he didn't want to throw the goaltenders under the boat.

You know we have a thread here dedicated to ridiculing the Oilers and their fans and yet posters here want to jump on the bandwagon and give Hiller the exact same treatment that Oilers fans gave Scrivens last season. Sorry but I'm simply not going to stoop to those levels and I would hope that other posters here that think they are above Oilers fans that they would take the high road here and move on.

English not being his first language has nothing to do with his response. He's been in North America long enough and speaks English well enough that he should be able to respond to it taking responsibility for his own play without blaming Ramo and Ortio.

He doesn't have to blame himself for the team not making the playoffs. He could just be honest about the struggles he went through much like Johnny talked about his road struggles and needing to be better. Him failing to take responsibility and blaming others should be more alarming to a GM than being honest.

Some of our responses to his comments don't make us look as bad as Oilers fans. Had his comments been more like Ortio's where he took responsibility for his poor play and people still told him to get lost you could call them out. But this isn't one of those cases.

[devo22]

Treliving mentions Nakladal is an NHL player and Kulak and Wotherspoon have made steps, but acknowledges that there are contract and cap situations to deal with.

[Hyde]

Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

Treliving: "We need to hold onto the puck longer"

This is the one thing that I've viewed as a significant weakness. Hartley's strategy of collapsing around the goalie isn't tenable long term.

From what Hartley said it seems that it wasn't his strategy to collapse.

[saillias]

Good question, Roger asks if owners are penny-pinching. Brad shoots it down saying no (obviously)

[hockey.modern]

- Treliving says they need to make some moves that will allow them to be back into a playoff spot.

- Confident that they have a chance next season, but the group coming back has to take another step forward.

- Will sit with Ortio, confirmed that Hiller will not return. Didn't say directly but, Backstrom probably won't be back.

- Says Don Maloney has done a tremendous job during his time in Phoenix.

- Some positives, but we failed. Measured the evaluations of some games down the stretch, and wonder where it was all season.

- Expected to be in the playoffs this season. Still has work to be done. Young players were put in key roles, and they are relied on the most to push the team. Great future ahead, but there are 29 other teams in similar situations. It's going to get even harder.

- Nothing on the top of the hand of players not returning.

- Looked at what other teams may look like during the expansion. (who has 2 goaltenders etc.)

- Has a feeling that Gillies might be exempt from the expansion. (not protected) nothing confirmed yet.