Laine doesn't belong in Van or Edm. He's just not an Oiler or Canuck type.
If he's a Leaf then so be it but gosh dammit, he'd make so much more sense on the Flames or Jets than those cesspools of one-dimensional finesse players.
Sooooooo, you just know Columbus is gonna win the lottery from the 27th spot now right? Haha
Columbus pushing Toronto, Edmonton, and Vancouver back would be great. Plus, our draft spot would stay the same. Matthews would be great for their franchise.
Sooooooo, you just know Columbus is gonna win the lottery from the 27th spot now right? Haha
That would be fine by me. Dubois would be a great consolation prize if we don't win the lotto ourselves and CBJ is the only team behind us in the standings that would likely take him.
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Kind of funny the Leafs signed the most expensive head coach and still ended up in last place. Then another expensive head coach(Todd McLellan) in the league signed by the Oilers ended up second last.
Well at least it was expected in Toronto. And Toronto had nice "Advanced Stats" that I think will help when they get actual talent. The Oilers have lots of it, not sure what's going on.
Laine is also more of a pure finisher which the Flames arguably need more.
But do they? I'd call Monahan a pure finisher. So on that line we have a disher in Gaudreau and a finisher in Monahan.
If we're looking for someone to pair with Bennett, are we looking for a disher, or a finisher? Bennett seems like more of a finisher to me, getting goals in tight by driving to the net. More of a finisher than a puck distributor anyway (though of course, it's early days). IMHO, a RW who can pass the puck, and play well without the puck (which describes Puljujarvi) would be a great fit.
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This may be too basic and this thread is really long, but it seems like Laine is highly favored here over Jesse P. Why is that (Coles notes)?
Laine can score goals and appears to have more developed stickhandling and can control the pace of the game like a Gaudreau/Iginla even if he's not going full-board intensity. Skating is good but developing it further would make him an Ovechkin/Stamkos class 40-60 goal scorer. If the skating doesn't get to a top level you still have all the tools for a Rick Nash type.
A lot of opinion on Puljujarvi is that's much faster, but it almost works against him like Matthew Lombardi/Paul Byron types where the hands aren't caught up with the feet. Also seems to lack accuracy and release speed on his wrister. Finally he only plays the game at one speed - 11. But at his age these are all things that should still develop and if they do he will be what Marian Hossa has been over his career.
In my opinion Puljujarvi has a lower floor because his goal scoring may never catch his speed. Then you end up with Taylor Hall who can get shots but not goals. I prefer Laine because he will be a deadly goal scorer out of the gate and we can enjoy watching the rest of his game catch up. With Puljujarvi i expect it to be up in the air just what he can be for a long portion of his development.
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I like the distinction made between the two Finns by a NHL scout. Compared the two to Selanne and Kurri. Both scored a boatload of goals, but did so in very different fashions. Laine will be more of a flashy player while Pulhardtospell will be more of a quiet scorer with a superior 200' game. One thing I like better about Pul's game is his passing ability. I think he is a much better passer and has better vision. Laine has better instincts around the net and just feels where to be to score. Both are really good prospects, will get their goals, but will do so in very different ways.
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This may be too basic and this thread is really long, but it seems like Laine is highly favored here over Jesse P. Why is that (Coles notes)?
Laine looks like he's a 6'4 version of Tarasenko
Puljujarvi looks more like Wheeler
Those are Button's comparisons and I really don't mind them for stylistic purposes.
That's about the simplest way I can put it I think. Laine has the potential to be one of the top goalscorers in the entire NHL and could be lethal on the power play in particular with his Ove/Stamkos like one timer. Puljujarvi is going to be great too but a different style of player. More of a high tempo, possession driving winger who can playmake and finish.
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But do they? I'd call Monahan a pure finisher. So on that line we have a disher in Gaudreau and a finisher in Monahan.
Monahan has been the finisher because Gaudreau is such a good set up man and Monahan does have a lethal shot. But make no mistake, Monahan coming out of junior was actually known more for his playmaking than his goalscoring. Adding Laine to that mix would create an unstoppable line that might turn into the best in the entire NHL. You'd have Monahan and Gaudreau as dual threats who can both pass and score and then Laine as the pure finisher who you can never leave open. It would be nearly impossible to defend that line.
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If we're looking for someone to pair with Bennett, are we looking for a disher, or a finisher? Bennett seems like more of a finisher to me, getting goals in tight by driving to the net. More of a finisher than a puck distributor anyway (though of course, it's early days). IMHO, a RW who can pass the puck, and play well without the puck (which describes Puljujarvi) would be a great fit.
Yeah arguably Tkachuk as a smart playmaking power forward, Dubois as a well rounded powerforward or Puljujarvi would all be great fits for the Bennett line IMO.
Laine looks like he's a 6'4 version of Tarasenko
Puljujarvi looks more like Wheeler
Those are Button's comparisons and I really don't mind them for stylistic purposes.
That's about the simplest way I can put it I think. Laine has the potential to be one of the top goalscorers in the entire NHL and could be lethal on the power play in particular with his Ove/Stamkos like one timer. Puljujarvi is going to be great too but a different style of player. More of a high tempo, possession driving winger who can playmake and finish.
A player like Tarasenko lining up opposite to Gaudreau would just be insane
Chychrun seems like the most complete package. One of the best skaters in the draft. Physically mature. He'll pass, rush the puck, defend, hit, and has a good point shot.
Sergachev is more raw. Ridiculous point shot. Loves to join or lead the rush. Excellent skater. Does have some physicality. Still needs to improve a bit in the defensive zone. Probably slightly higher offensive ceiling than Chychrun.
Juolevi is the calm, efficient puck mover that just makes good decision. Takes away space more than physically overpowering guys.
That's the impression I get anyways. Juolevi is the least exciting to me because I'd love the Flames to add some physicality to their top 4 long term and Chychrun and Sergachev seem a lot more physical to me while still having great skating and puck moving.
I don't get to see the OHL that much though so perhaps one of the OHL watchers can correct me if I got anything wrong there.
Juolevi is an amazing cerebral d man who is in the mold of Lidstrom. Don't take that as me saying he will be the next Nik Lidstrom because that is not fair but he plays the game the same way. Great use of his stick to take passing lanes away or poking the puck off a stick, solid positionally, makes an extremely good outlet pass, not afraid to jump in the play and has above average skating that looks effortless. I have no doubt he will be a top pairing D man in the NHL.
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Many seem to think Laine has the higher offensive upside and ceiling. He is also flashier than Puljujarvi.
Laine is also more of a pure finisher which the Flames arguably need more.
This might be a little backward and it might get me ripped to shreds but that description it partly why I'm a little cool on Laine.
Going back to 2010, with the Hawks winning three cups and the Kings winning two both teams had a grand total of one player score 30 or more goals during their cup winning seasons. Patrick Kane with 30 on the nose in 2009-2010. That includes the lockout shortened 2013 season where both Kane and Toews would probably have gone over 30, but not 40. The Kings had zero guys for two cups.
That type of player isn't needed to win and the Flames are certainly trending towards that scoring by depth way as well. Monahan and Gaudreau have already hit 30, they probably will again several times. Bennett might be the best scorer of them all, wouldn't shock me if he hits 40. Calgary is in prime to select another of those forwards this year too IMO. Frolik and Backlund floating around 20, another drafted player, Shinkaruk/Porieir/Jankowski, one of those guys.
Big time finisher is something we're missing sure, but it's not something we need. Goal scoring isn't a problem now and it doesn't project to be.
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This might be a little backward and it might get me ripped to shreds but that description it partly why I'm a little cool on Laine.
Going back to 2010, with the Hawks winning three cups and the Kings winning two both teams had a grand total of one player score 30 or more goals during their cup winning seasons. Patrick Kane with 30 on the nose in 2009-2010. That includes the lockout shortened 2013 season where both Kane and Toews would probably have gone over 30, but not 40. The Kings had zero guys for two cups.
it's not that you need everybody hitting 30 simultaneously but they need to be that kind of threat. 27 Goal Monahan is still a 30 goal talent. 24 goal Gaudreau was probably still a 30 goal threat.
The 2012 Kings.. no one actually hit 30. But Justin Williams, Anze Kopitar, Dustin Brown, Mike Richards, and Jeff Carter had 30 goal seasons on their resume at that point. It was just a matter of defending and the offense came naturally come playoff time - not by fluke when five of your forwards are former 30 goal scorers.
None of them has to have a 30 goal season, they just need to have that ability to translate it into the depth scoring you're referring to. The offense of guys like Frolik might dry up 80%, which means you're just hoping for a lucky bounce in the playoffs. But the offense of a guy like Gaborik or Lucic, the acquisitions the Kings have made in recent years? Drying up 80 percent still gives you a threat of scoring goals.
This might be a little backward and it might get me ripped to shreds but that description it partly why I'm a little cool on Laine.
Big time finisher is something we're missing sure, but it's not something we need. Goal scoring isn't a problem now and it doesn't project to be.
You are cool on adding a 6'4 goal scorer? What would you prefer out of the draft? What do you see our needs as? Seems to me that after adding a goalie, size on the wing is our biggest need.
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