Sean Monahan or: Should we Learn to Stop Worrying and Love our #1C

[kevman]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

So if you swapped Getzlaf and Monahan, the Ducks don't miss a beat?
So if you swapped Kesler and Monahan, the Ducks don't miss a beat?

He might not be at Getzlaf's level (yet) but he's certainly at Kesler's. If Malkin benefits from Crosby then Kesler benefits from Getzlaf. If you swap Kesler with Monahan right now the Ducks don't miss a beat.

[Illuminaughty]

Originally Posted by kevman

He might not be at Getzlaf's level (yet) but he's certainly at Kesler's. If Malkin benefits from Crosby then Kesler benefits from Getzlaf. If you swap Kesler with Monahan right now the Ducks don't miss a beat.

Two different players, I'd say at the moment Kessler is ahead Monahan. I'd say Getzlaf benefits more, because Kessler is playing more of the tough defensive assignments.

I dislike Kessler, but he is an effective player. Do you really think we beat the Nucks last year in the playoffs if he was still on the team? I doubt it.

[kevman]

Originally Posted by Illuminaughty

I dislike Kessler, but he is an effective player. Do you really think we beat the Nucks last year in the playoffs if he was still on the team? I doubt it.

Don't know. But the questions wasn't "Does Kesler make a sad sack Canucks team better?" The question was "Do the Ducks not miss a beat with Monahan instead of Kesler?" and in my opinion the Ducks don't miss a beat with Monahan.

[Illuminaughty]

Yeah they would, Monahan isn't as good defensively as Kessler yet. At this point I'd say their offense is a wash. Monahan numbers are padded by playing with Johnny and our free wheeling active D style.

[Vinny01]

I find that by many fans on HF and even here that Monahan is an underrated player. He is arguably the best player from a deep 2013 draft and at worst he is in the top 4 with Barkov, MacKinnon and Jones.

Back to back seasons of 60+pts and years away from his prime. The best centre the Flames have had since they traded Joe for Iggy

[You Need a Thneed]

Towards the end of the season, Monahan has been getting more and more defensive assignments, taking important defensive zone face offs, penalty killing. He's doing fairly well in those areas, and his offense has remained at a high level.

I think he's shown a bunch in the last while, that he isn't just benefitting off of Gaudreau offensively.

He very easily could be in "Tier 2" as outlined above, by next season. It's probably even quite likely that he's there next season.

[Mony]

We are lucky that Monahan is such a stud and that Sam may even be the one that surpasses him. Down the middle the Flames have no worries.

I'd like to see Monahan away from Johnny a little more though. He has some improvements he could make in his two-way ability. Offensively like I said, a real stud. Always room for improvement.

[Corral]

The guy has 80 goals in his first 3 seasons playing 1C for a non-playoff team. He is the successor for Iginla ... who took over from Nieuwendyk ... who took over from Lanny. If I had to choose between Monahan and Goudreau ... I would take Monahan without a seconds thought. A more complete player with size and hands.

Why is this even a conversation here?

[spennywalks]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Eh, just my thoughts, I guess.

IMO, Monahan is playing at a very high level ATM. I wouldn't be surprised if he outscores Crosby next year.

No need to derail the thread on this, though.

is this a sick joke?

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

If Luongo isn't rocking a .922 save percentage at age 37 (and Florida doesn't have a top 5 shooting percentage) somehow I doubt anyone is talking about Barkov as the best defensive centre in the league.

Yeah, the Barkov hype train is rolling full steam ahead at the moment. Going to be ugly if he struggles next season.

[N-E-B]

Monahan is awesome and my favourite Flame. I think he's the most important guy on the team going forward, even more important than Gaudreau and Brodie (not by much though). No, he's not Sidney Crosby, not even close, but who cares? Only Crosby is as good as Crosby, and probably McDavid in the next year or two. Outside of those two guys no one is on that level. Monahan is still an awesome player and a great #1 centre. No one should be worried about him.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Yeah, the Barkov hype train is rolling full steam ahead at the moment. Going to be ugly if he struggles next season.

Weird thing to say. You seem biased against the Panthers or Barkov for some reason?

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Weird thing to say. You seem biased against the Panthers or Barkov for some reason?

Not in the slightest, love Barkov actually. Could probably go back through some posts and see he'd be the only one I'd take over Monahan in the 2013. Also don't think it's a weird thing to say either, I'd said similar things about Gaudreau.

Barkov is a fine player but he's not the best defensive forward in the league. He's fantastic for his age, but that's where the line is drawn.

[ricardodw]

to give some perspective on this #1C discussion.

Is Schiefele a #1C? An elite #1C

He has 1140 faceoffs, 2nd on the Jets behind Little's 1314.

Monahan - Scheifele

toi 19:21 - 18:28
ppg .79 - .86
goals/game .34 - .41
Hits/game .5 - .7
GvA 38 - 34
TkA 55 -61
Blkshts/game .5 - .5
FO % 51.0 - 47.2
+/- -6 - +16

age 21 -23 Scheifele 19 months older

so Monahan has more TOI/gm and a better faceoff %.

I am pretty sure that there is virtually nobody here at CP that would consider Scheifele an elite #1C and may not even consider him a #1C as Little has more TOI/game and .74/ppg on the Jets.

Monahan is the #1C on the Flames and has been since part way through his rookie year.

[FlamesAddiction]

There was some discussion on that other board about the best player from that draft and I think the majority of people say it is Barkov at this point. Honestly, I think I am leaning towards Barkov as well, but it is close in my opinion. Over there though, it isn't close at all and to suggest otherwise makes you a troll.

[H2SO4(aq)]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Is Sean Monahan our #1C? Technically.
Is Sean Monahan a #1C? Still debatable and I'm sorry if you disagree but I need to see more and I need to see it more consistently. All I've ever personally argued is that, barring a sweetheart long term deal, we should bridge Monahan so it's very clear what he is.

Consistency is an issue with Monahan? He's produced pretty consistently as a 30, 30, 60 guy offensively outside of his 20 goal rookie season.

In todays NHL when there is one 50 goal guy and 1-2 40 goal guys in the whole league in any given year, how can 30 goal monahan not be a #1 c?

[djsFlames]

His offensive instincts aren't on Crosby's level. He's also not on Crosby's or Bergeron's level at the position quite yet. Throwing out "elite" is a bit excessive.

When he can help his line dominate opposition, even against non favourable matchups on the road, then we'll talk. For him it's not a numbers thing but watching him I don't see a dominant top line center quite yet. But an extremely well-rounded player for his age group he most certainly is.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by Illuminaughty

Yeah they would, Monahan isn't as good defensively as Kessler yet. At this point I'd say their offense is a wash. Monahan numbers are padded by playing with Johnny and our free wheeling active D style.

But their offense isn't "a wash".

Monahan: 27-36-63
Kesler: 21-30-51

Monahan has 124% the points of Kesler, which I would say is significant, and not a wash.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Kesler, outside of two years, is pretty much a 50 point player. Monahan is substantially better at the offensive side of the game. When Sean hits his prime, they will refer to Kesler as a poor man's Monahan.

[White Out 403]

Monahan is borderline #1 C which is a lot for a player his age. He flies under the radar because he isn't flashy, he just gets it done. Reminds me if Mark Scheifele in that way.