Flint Firebirds -UPD: Owner suspended 5 years, fined $250k. Team forfeits 3rd OA pick

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

Yup, hence my original statement. If you own a hockey team that is not a franchise, you would be able to manage it however you see fit. A franchise owner is more like an employee of a corporation. Similar to being on a board of directors.

I'm sorry to nitpick you as everyone else is, but it is only similar to being an employee in the sense that you have an obligation to not act against the interests of the organization. Just like a volunteer, investor, or even contractor, sponsor/other type of partner, or even as you said board member. Employee is just not a good comparison (employer/employee relationship is generally much simpler...franchise owner is a good example, and there are no shortage of other very different industries where it applies.

[MarkGio]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

You equated the situation to being a ground level employee as well as being a franchisee of a larger corporation. Was this your intention? If it was, I am confused. Those are two different things.

An employee answers to an owner, an owner of any business other than a franchise doesn't.

Are you seriously not getting this or are you purposely being obtuse?

[MarkGio]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

I'm sorry to nitpick you as everyone else is, but it is only similar to being an employee in the sense that you have an obligation to not act against the interests of the organization. Just like a volunteer, investor, or even contractor, sponsor/other type of partner, or even as you said board member. Employee is just not a good comparison (employer/employee relationship is generally much simpler...franchise owner is a good example, and there are no shortage of other very different industries where it applies.

A volunteer is more like an employee, unless your the director. In any case, the terms of services are contractual or otherwise employed.

A contractor is free to make decisions as they see fit, answering only to their own pocketbook. Breaking a contract has legal repercussions, which usually financial in nature. An investor takes many forms, including owning a franchise. I think of your examples, an employee fits best, depending on the kind of employment. Some employees accept contracts, much like a franchise owner.

[MrMastodonFarm]

At this point you would have to be going out of your way to not understand this.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

An employee answers to an owner, an owner of any business other than a franchise doesn't.

Are you seriously not getting this or are you purposely being obtuse?

Frick, I just realized that I took the bait.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

A volunteer is more like an employee, unless your the director. In any case, the terms of services are contractual or otherwise employed.

A contractor is free to make decisions as they see fit, answering only to their own pocketbook. Breaking a contract has legal repercussions, which usually financial in nature. An investor takes many forms, including owning a franchise. I think of your examples, an employee fits best, depending on the kind of employment. Some employees accept contracts, much like a franchise owner.

It's just a horrible example/equation. In terms of one party acting against the interests of a larger organization, all of my examples are more similar to each other than employee to a franchisee. The roadmap to cutting any of them loose is simple; at worst some modest financial pain if contract is poorly written. Short of finding a Steve Ballmer to pay twice what a franchise is probably worth, the process to fully remove a franchise owner can be long and painful.

I must just be in the mood to pay the troll toll tonight.

[Alberta_Beef]

I suppose I work for the government since I have to follow all their rules.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

At this point you would have to be going out of your way to not understand this.

It's like watching a Trump supporter trying to figure out... well, anything.

[sureLoss]

[Resolute 14]

Well, that was unexpected.

Still think he is going to try and influence hockey ops somehow though.

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

What the? Lawyer told him to comply and play nice in the sandbox to preserve community goodwill while he looks for legal leverage against league?

[Resolute 14]

Pretty hard to argue any leverage when he says, in his own words and voluntarily, that he accepts the suspension. Seems more likely to me that his lawyers told him he doesn't have a case. At best, he might be thinking that if he just place nice for a year or so, he might be able to apply for an early release.