2 dead & 6 injured as teens take after hours sled ride down Winsport bobsleigh track

[Fuzz]

Well when my wife was in the hospital, almost everyone that is religious that came in mentioned something about miracles and god saving her.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Well when my wife was in the hospital, almost everyone that is religious that came in mentioned something about miracles and god saving her.

I think this is an episode of 'House.'

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

It pisses me off becuase it minimizes the hard work our medical professionals do. Ever been in a room with someone how has had their life saved, and someone comes in and says "it's a miracle! God saved you!" No, God didn't do squat.

How would you feel if every time you achieved something great at work your boss says, "hallelujah! God really nailed that one, eh?"

I'm probably overreacting in this case, but it happens so often and its depressing to hear.

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Well when my wife was in the hospital, almost everyone that is religious that came in mentioned something about miracles and god saving her.

Well, they wanted your wife to get better. How could you possibly disagree with that?

[nik-]

Sounds like someone who gets pissed when someone says Merry Christmas because they just can't appreciate the good intentions behind the words.

Professional offendee

[Fuzz]

Spend months in the hospital watching hundreds of people involved in saving a life, and someone walks in and basically says "god saved her." Sorry, I find that insulting. Maybe I'm wrong, I just think if you want to thank someone for a job well done, it should be the people who actually do it.

[Nyah]

I get what Fuzz is saying. I've known people who have been seriously injured and then thank their god for saving them and praising a 'miracle' with no mention of the medical professionals who worked to save/help them. And yeah, it's kind of annoying. Not saying that's what this kid did, but I definitely know people who have.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by nik-

Sounds like someone who gets pissed when someone says Merry Christmas because they just can't appreciate the good intentions behind the words.

Professional offendee

I have no problem with that, and no, I'm not a professional offendee, it just hit a sore spot for me.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Nyah

I get what Fuzz is saying. I've known people who have been seriously injured and then thank their god for saving them and praising a 'miracle' with no mention of the medical professionals who worked to save/help them. And yeah, it's kind of annoying. Not saying that's what this kid did, but I definitely know people who have.

No one doesn't understand what he's saying, it's pretty clear. It's just ridiculous.

Are people thanking god and then wheeling patients out of the hospital because they'll be healed by god?

Are people petitioning to reduce the salaries of Health Care Professionals because god is healing people?

No. It's just words and it makes some people feel better.

[troutman]

I did hear at the funeral the Church used the opportunity to try and sign up new members, and many found that distasteful.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by nik-

No one doesn't understand what he's saying, it's pretty clear. It's just ridiculous.

Are people thanking god and then wheeling patients out of the hospital because they'll be healed by god?

Are people petitioning to reduce the salaries of Health Care Professionals because god is healing people?

No. It's just words and it makes some people feel better.

Actually ya, there are plenty of cases of people dying because of their religious beliefs shunning healthcare. Children, too. That's no big secret.

And those words make some people feel worse. Like maybe the nurse or doctor in the room at the same time who's hard worked has been denigrated. Like I said, how would you feel if your work was attributed to God?

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Actually ya, there are plenty of cases of people dying because of their religious beliefs shunning healthcare. Children, too. That's no big secret.

And those words make some people feel worse. Like maybe the nurse or doctor in the room at the same time who's hard worked has been denigrated. Like I said, how would you feel if your work was attributed to God?

Trust me when I say this, they don't care.

They're fine with whatever someone believes as long as the patient walks out instead of being wheeled out in a zip lock bag.

To your first point, I'm onboard, I have a lot of problems with people that deny their loved ones the best treatment possible whether its due to a religious belief, or a anti-medical belief, or a moronic natureopathy belief.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Nyah

I get what Fuzz is saying. I've known people who have been seriously injured and then thank their god for saving them and praising a 'miracle' with no mention of the medical professionals who worked to save/help them. And yeah, it's kind of annoying. Not saying that's what this kid did, but I definitely know people who have.

I don't think thanking god or whatever takes anything away from medical professionals. Most doctors would recognize that when there is serious medical situation, there can be a considerable amount of fortune (or misfortune) that factors into recovery or survival. I remember a story a while ago when a person suffered serious injuries and recovered so fast, that one of the doctors said that if you believe in miracles, then that would be one. I don't think they were giving away credit for their work, but just acknowledging that they don't control everything. Just like when a patient dies from something low-risk, I don't think you can blame the doctors usually, but if someone said "god had taken the person to heaven", would doctors step in and say, "nope, it was our bad!"? I doubt it.

Are doctors in general really offended when people use the term "miracle" to describe recoveries that defy medical odds?

[Locke]

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[nik-]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Actually ya, there are plenty of cases of people dying because of their religious beliefs shunning healthcare. Children, too. That's no big secret.

And those words make some people feel worse. Like maybe the nurse or doctor in the room at the same time who's hard worked has been denigrated. Like I said, how would you feel if your work was attributed to God?

I'd assume if I was a doctor I'd be smart enough to know it's just words and that neither my paycheque nor my job satisfaction is affected by someone giving a token platitude to god.

[speede5]

If you're a believer you might be of the opinion that God bestows certain talents on individuals and when those talents are used, such as going to school and becoming a doctor, that the cards are in play to heal people.

I don't think anyone means to take away from the doctors and nurses hard work and dedication, even they can't explain how some people pull through some illness or trauma.

[heep223]

I'm sure the kid recognizes that he's alive because of the medical professionals. He's just saying he found comfort in god.

[Nyah]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Are doctors in general really offended when people use the term "miracle" to describe recoveries that defy medical odds?

I doubt it. Don't get me wrong, I'm not offended when people thank their god for their recoveries. Just mildly annoyed when no praise goes to the medical community, that's all.

On topic: Just out of curiosity, they say they're raising funds to cover the massive medical bills. What medical bills wouldn't the health care system cover aside from the ambulance ride?

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Nyah

I doubt it. Don't get me wrong, I'm not offended when people thank their god for their recoveries. Just mildly annoyed when no praise goes to the medical community, that's all.

On topic: Just out of curiosity, they say they're raising funds to cover the massive medical bills. What medical bills wouldn't the health care system cover aside from the ambulance ride?

Probably the years of rehab.

[Nyah]

I thought physiotherapy and things like that would be covered?

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Nyah

I thought physiotherapy and things like that would be covered?

Nope. My buddy was in a car accident that took about a year of physio and various other things to recover completely from. Not covered.

EDIT I think they do cover some things and for a limited time. But for a true full recovery, with this kid's injuries, it's going to be a long, long road.