any of y'all into working out?

[V]

Yeah, but it feels like cardio is the only bloody way to reduce the gut. I've made massive changes to my diet over the last 8 weeks, and I've seen an improvement, but the gut remains, at least more than I'd like.

[SHOGUN]

Originally Posted by V

Yeah, but it feels like cardio is the only bloody way to reduce the gut. I've made massive changes to my diet over the last 8 weeks, and I've seen an improvement, but the gut remains, at least more than I'd like.

It'll likely take around 4-7 months to see visible changes. The worst thing you can do is give up and lose the motivation because you don't see immediate results. Keep at it!

[Sainters7]

Originally Posted by Azure

Keeping muscle mass as you get older is obviously important as well and cardio won't help you do that one bit.

Just curious as someone who goes to the gym regularly but doesn't research workout methods / proper diet at all. Why is that?

[TheSutterDynasty]

Originally Posted by blankall

If you're doing squats and deadlifts, that should develop your core nicely.

Doing exercises like situps is a waste of time....

Maybe do some planks and kettle bell swings, if you think your core is lacking. Ultimately, IMO the squats and deadlifts should do the job. If your core is lacking just go light on them until the core catches up to the legs.

Not sure why people think that squats and deadlifts are the end all be all exercises. It's called specificity of training. Squats work quads, glute max. Deadlifts work hamstrings, glute max, some stability in the back (if done right). Abdominals should be firing of ciurse, but they are not even close to your limiting factor in the exercise.

Not to mention, if you're lifting heavy you need the smaller stabilizers strong to avoid injury. This means working your abdominals together with stability exercises, and all the smaller hip muscles, as well as keeping mobility throughout.

Squats and deadlifts are great, but it's foolish to think it's all you need. The best lifters in the world are doing a ton of other exercises.

[TheSutterDynasty]

Originally Posted by Azure

Keeping muscle mass as you get older is obviously important as well and cardio won't help you do that one bit.

Muscle is important functionally and for bone density, but outside of that strength doesn't actually help our health all that much. Cardio is shown to improve the blood lipid profile, pulmonary, and heart health. It shouldn't be one or the other.

[AcGold]

Originally Posted by V

Yeah, but it feels like cardio is the only bloody way to reduce the gut. I've made massive changes to my diet over the last 8 weeks, and I've seen an improvement, but the gut remains, at least more than I'd like.

Buy a juicer with high speed setting.

1-2 litres of juice everyday you will lose massive amounts of weight guaranteed at the 3-6 days in a row point. It's the most effective way to lose weight. Better than any diet ever.

Lettuce, celery, apples, lemon/lime as main ingredients.

I lost 20 pounds in 40 days after getting a juicer. Was 175 now 155 with much smaller gut and I can eat burgers and not gain weight. I recommend to anyone trying to lose the gut to do the juicing thing. Don't diet, just do normal living alongside the juice, it cleans you out like nothing else in the world. Only stays medicinal for half an hour though (enzymes degrade, nutrition decreases over time) so you gotta drink it fast.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Sainters7

Just curious as someone who goes to the gym regularly but doesn't research workout methods / proper diet at all. Why is that?

I think saying you need 'muscle mass' is the incorrect way of explaining it. As you get older, your muscles start shrinking. Lifting weights and doing resistance work in general will help with that.

Obviously cardio is important too, but I find people place way too much importance on cardio and not enough on resistance training. A good weightlifting program will go a long way towards keeping you healthy and strong for your whole life.

As you get older, the amount you can lift will obviously reduce, but there is no reason people shouldn't deadlift, squat and bench a healthy amount their whole life.

[ben voyonsdonc]

Originally Posted by AcGold

Buy a juicer with high speed setting.

1-2 litres of juice everyday you will lose massive amounts of weight guaranteed at the 3-6 days in a row point. It's the most effective way to lose weight. Better than any diet ever.

Lettuce, celery, apples, lemon/lime as main ingredients.

I lost 20 pounds in 40 days after getting a juicer. Was 175 now 155 with much smaller gut and I can eat burgers and not gain weight. I recommend to anyone trying to lose the gut to do the juicing thing. Don't diet, just do normal living alongside the juice, it cleans you out like nothing else in the world. Only stays medicinal for half an hour though (enzymes degrade, nutrition decreases over time) so you gotta drink it fast.

Don't do any of this. So much bad advice in one post.

[AcGold]

Originally Posted by ben voyonsdonc

Don't do any of this. So much bad advice in one post.

That's a very bold claim with zero logic to support it. So let's put it on the line then. You post pictures of your body and the inside of your fridge, if you do I'll do the same. We'll let people on the forum decide who's healthier.

[ben voyonsdonc]

Originally Posted by AcGold

That's a very bold claim with zero logic to support it. So let's put it on the line then. You post pictures of your body and the inside of your fridge, if you do I'll do the same. We'll let people on the forum decide who's healthier for themselves.

Ok.

Juicing is not a diet. It isn't. It's a fad. It removes needed fiber from fruits and vegetables. It provides no protein whatsoever and it can be prohibitively expensive. Relying on living on juice for days is just a matter of starving your body. Any weight lost from starving your body will jump back on after you start eating again.

I'm not against juicing as part of a healthy balanced diet but it doesn't make a healthy diet.

Losing weight is mostly a calories in vs calories out deal.

[Flabbibulin]

Of course a juicing only diet is going to lead to incredibly quick weight loss, just like any other severely low calorie diet- hell, eat nothing but 2 big macs a day (1000 calories) and you would likely see a similar amount of weight loss as a similar caloric intake in juicing- yes, certainly not the same from a macro/micro nutrient standpoint, but any type of very low calorie diet is going to yield quick results. The issue is sustainability and quite likely an excessive amount of muscle loss.

That said, if ACgold is talking about supplementing only some meals with juicing, or even just replacing carb portions with juicing, then great- this would give you a more tolerable and sustainable low calorie diet, leading to healthy weight loss- 1-2lbs a week.

A healthy and balanced diet that leads to a caloric deificit is the key to weight loss... I guess I am just of the opinion that a moderate deficit of maybe 500 calories a day is the way to go- not the 1500 calorie deficits that things like the Bernstein diet promote

[ben voyonsdonc]

Originally Posted by AcGold

1-2 litres of juice everyday you will lose massive amounts of weight guaranteed at the 3-6 days in a row point. It's the most effective way to lose weight. Better than any diet ever.

Losing fat is having a 3500 calorie deficit for a pound of fat. It's pretty simple. Juicing doesn't doesn't change that. If you are losing "massive" amounts of fat, that has nothing to do with the fact that you are juicing; it just means you are in a very significant calorie deficit.

Originally Posted by AcGold

I lost 20 pounds in 40 days after getting a juicer. Was 175 now 155 with much smaller gut and I can eat burgers and not gain weight.

This has nothing to do with juicing. It isn't a magical potion that makes calories disappear. If anything, it means that you have replaced eating something else with a less caloric option (namely juice). Simple substitutions can be done without juicing.

Originally Posted by AcGold

Only stays medicinal for half an hour though (enzymes degrade, nutrition decreases over time) so you gotta drink it fast.

What makes fruit and vegetables "medicinal" in juice form but not in non-juice form? Shouldn't the fact that you've removed a key part of the fruit and vegetable (namely the fiber) make it less medicinal?

I'm not saying that juicing isn't something that can't be part of a healthy diet. It can be. It just isn't a magic fix any more than any other reduced calorie diet.

[burnin_vernon]

Originally Posted by AcGold

Buy a juicer with high speed setting.

1-2 litres of juice everyday you will lose massive amounts of weight guaranteed at the 3-6 days in a row point. It's the most effective way to lose weight. Better than any diet ever.

Lettuce, celery, apples, lemon/lime as main ingredients.

I lost 20 pounds in 40 days after getting a juicer. Was 175 now 155 with much smaller gut and I can eat burgers and not gain weight. I recommend to anyone trying to lose the gut to do the juicing thing. Don't diet, just do normal living alongside the juice, it cleans you out like nothing else in the world. Only stays medicinal for half an hour though (enzymes degrade, nutrition decreases over time) so you gotta drink it fast.

What does this mean, exactly?

[Flabbibulin]

Originally Posted by ben voyonsdonc

Losing fat is having a 3500 calorie deficit for a pound of fat. It's pretty simple. Juicing doesn't doesn't change that. If you are losing "massive" amounts of fat, that has nothing to do with the fact that you are juicing; it just means you are in a very significant calorie deficit.
This has nothing to do with juicing. It isn't a magical potion that makes calories disappear. If anything, it means that you have replaced eating something else with a less caloric option (namely juice). Simple substitutions can be done without juicing.
What makes fruit and vegetables "medicinal" in juice form but not in non-juice form? Shouldn't the fact that you've removed a key part of the fruit and vegetable (namely the fiber) make it less medicinal?

I'm not saying that juicing isn't something that can't be part of a healthy diet. It can be. It just isn't a magic fix any more than any other reduced calorie diet.

Yep I refrenced the Bernstein diet in my very similar post, as it made its rounds at my company... Plenty of my coworkers lost an insane amount of weight over a short period of time, purchased their new wardrobes, and then gained back every pound and more.

And while I don't really believe excessively low calorie diets lead to "metabolic damage" like bro science seems to claim, there is something to be said about the psychological issues that a severely low calorie diet can cause and the unhealthy relationship with food a person can develop. If your diet causes you to idolize and obsess over certain unhealthy foods, which often seems to happen, I would suggest you have taken things too far. Very low calorie diets often lead to binging, followed by a huge amount of guilt and a period of "make up" time where one restricts their calories even more.

[frodo_t_baggins]

I'm curious which weight loss enzymes degrade after half an hour

[SHOGUN]

Nvm

[blankall]

Originally Posted by TheSutterDynasty

Not sure why people think that squats and deadlifts are the end all be all exercises. It's called specificity of training. Squats work quads, glute max. Deadlifts work hamstrings, glute max, some stability in the back (if done right). Abdominals should be firing of ciurse, but they are not even close to your limiting factor in the exercise.

Not to mention, if you're lifting heavy you need the smaller stabilizers strong to avoid injury. This means working your abdominals together with stability exercises, and all the smaller hip muscles, as well as keeping mobility throughout.

Squats and deadlifts are great, but it's foolish to think it's all you need. The best lifters in the world are doing a ton of other exercises.

If squats are done properly, they most certainly will work the core. The first thing I do before I go into a squat is take a deep breath and brace my core.

If by stabilizing exercises, you mean things like Good Mornings, then yes they can be useful. If you mean crunches and twists, no that will not help your core brace a heavy weight during a squat and won't help you with anything besides doing more crunches and twists.

[undercoverbrother]

Wait, no photos of fridges?

[Muta]

One of the things I did to reduce my gut last year was simply shrink the sizes of my meals down to a fist-sized portion. Didn't realize that I was eating too much food at a given sitting, since I was so used to it. It was an adjustment for a couple weeks, but that went away eventually.

Working out five days a week and throwing in cardio as part of that helps as well obviously, but diet will largely get you to where you need to be.

Also, I don't touch deserts or anything with sugar (I do have a weak spot for salt and vinegar chips though). The elimination of sugar (combined with drinking more water) has been key to eliminating my gut.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Muta

One of the things I did to reduce my gut last year was simply shrink the sizes of my meals down to a fist-sized portion. Didn't realize that I was eating too much food at a given sitting, since I was so used to it. It was an adjustment for a couple weeks, but that went away eventually.

Working out five days a week and throwing in cardio as part of that helps as well obviously, but diet will largely get you to where you need to be.

Also, I don't touch deserts or anything with sugar (I do have a weak spot for salt and vinegar chips though). The elimination of sugar (combined with drinking more water) has been key to eliminating my gut.

So simple yet so hard.

I am also trying to invert my food intake. Trying to tapper consumption as the day progresses.