2015/2016 Trade Speculation and Rumors v2

[GoJetsGo]

IgiTang's is one of the worst posters here for throwing out absolute homer trades. That isn't even close to landing Hamonic, who is a top two defender on a sweetheart of a deal.

I don't think we have a young player ready to step in that would entice them. Hamilton fits the bill but no way we want to part with him.

If (and a big If) they were willing to take on Wideman for a year thinking they could get production, the ++ starts with one of our top defender prospects like Andersson, Kylington or Hickey. And I still don't think that's enough.

[Roof-Daddy]

Wideman for Halak

Kylington, Poirier, Dallas 1st (or Flames 2nd if Dallas 1st doesn't transfer) for Hamonic


Of course, if the Isles are willing to accept that, now the Flames have to protect 4 D in the event of an expansion draft.


Brodie - Hamonic
Giordano - Hamilton
Jokipakka - Nakladal

Halak
Ortio

[Toonage]

If the Dallas pick becomes a 1st rounder I could see that coming into play as either
1) going right back to Dallas as part of a package if they are in fact looking to move Nichushkin (unlikely)
2) Going to Tampa as part of a package to get Bishop
3) Going to Pittsburgh as part of a package for Murray

All pipe dreams, but hey. This is the pipe dream thread!

[bubbsy]

had a question pertaining to any kind of expansion draft.

Would they open up a trade window prior to the expansion draft in the offseason where teams could shuffle around assets, or will the trade deadline be the last chance a team has to make such adjustments?

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Awful for the Isles.

If they can't get a good comparable D man I am sure they will target replacing the scoring they will lose from Okopso this summer.

Who is a good comparable Dman? You can't have what doesn't exist..

Snow is not interested in Trouba because of the future contract problem that could potentially arise.

So.. Anyone that fits the build of equivalent talent but expected to make between 5-6Mil per, is not what he wants.

So, lets take Wideman, Kulak and Spoon out of it.

Who fits the bill out of North Central and NW regional teams that can offer a Bonafide Dman on an expiring contract who eats 18+ minutes and contributes to a PP, and two guys on controllable ELC's that are NHL ready?

And for the love of God, people need to stop overlooking the point that Snow himself said he wants a player(s) who he can control financially for a few years (paraphrasing).

With that in mind, who fits the bill?

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

had a question pertaining to any kind of expansion draft.

Would they open up a trade window prior to the expansion draft in the offseason where teams could shuffle around assets, or will the trade deadline be the last chance a team has to make such adjustments?

I don't think there is any freeze on trades. I believe you can still make trades at any time but the players aren't eligible for the playoffs.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

Who is a good comparable Dman? You can't have what doesn't exist..

Snow is not interested in Trouba because of the future contract problem that could potentially arise.

So.. Anyone that fits the build of equivalent talent but expected to make between 5-6Mil per, is not what he wants.

So, lets take Wideman, Kulak and Spoon out of it.

Who fits the bill out of North Central and NW regional teams that can offer a Bonafide Dman on an expiring contract who eats 18+ minutes and contributes to a PP, and two guys on controllable ELC's that are NHL ready?

And for the love of God, people need to stop overlooking the point that Snow himself said he wants a player(s) who he can control financially for a few years (paraphrasing).

With that in mind, who fits the bill?

You missed my point.

If they can't get their D man they will probably look to improve their forwards. IMO he was only holding out for the D man for the remainder of this year (playoffs) as Hamonic said he would play out this year with no issues.

IF they can't find that guy they will open up to other trades IMO.

Why would they trade for a more expensive far worse player (Wideman) and 2 prospects who have shown nothing?

The other possibility is doing a 3 way trade with another team supplying a D man.

[Roof-Daddy]

Flames could always try to acquire Brodin from Minny, and then flip him (+) to the Isles for Hamonic, or work out a 3 way deal.

Brodin has slipped a bit, but he's comparable IMO, and signed to a pretty decent deal.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Flames could always try to acquire Brodin from Minny, and then flip him (+) to the Isles for Hamonic, or work out a 3 way deal.

Brodin has slipped a bit, but he's comparable IMO, and signed to a pretty decent deal.

then we'd have 4 d-men we'd have to protect in the event of an expansion draft, which would then only allow us to protect 4 forwards.

This summer is going to be a really interesting juggling act if it is in fact announced that the expansion draft will happen in 2017.

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by Weitz

You missed my point.

If they can't get their D man they will probably look to improve their forwards. IMO he was only holding out for the D man for the remainder of this year (playoffs) as Hamonic said he would play out this year with no issues.

IF they can't find that guy they will open up to other trades IMO.

Why would they trade for a more expensive far worse player (Wideman) and 2 prospects who have shown nothing?

The other possibility is doing a 3 way trade with another team supplying a D man.

No, I didn't. My response was to the "Awful for the Isles". Regardless what you think, if that's what Snow is looking for, then the man with a GM job in the NHL disagrees with you.

As for targeting a forward, that's not what you said. There are quite a few Dmen that have produced at similar clips as Okposo this year (within 10 pts). So perhaps I did misunderstand your second point, but that could be due to the poor explanation.

[stemit14]

I really hope the stars can make a run in the playoffs with Russell playing for them... Would be great to get that 1st round pick. I would be more than fine with Treliving being aggressive on the trade market with that late first round pick to try to fix the goaltending problem. Even offering that first round pick + klimchuk/poirier + wideman (salary-retained) for someone like Murray or Elliott would be fine.

Might be an overpayment but I like the idea of aggressively improving the team this summer to take big steps.




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[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

IgiTang's is one of the worst posters here for throwing out absolute homer trades. That isn't even close to landing Hamonic, who is a top two defender on a sweetheart of a deal.

I don't think we have a young player ready to step in that would entice them. Hamilton fits the bill but no way we want to part with him.

If (and a big If) they were willing to take on Wideman for a year thinking they could get production, the ++ starts with one of our top defender prospects like Andersson, Kylington or Hickey. And I still don't think that's enough.

Lol, totally missed this.

Call me what you want, at least I am paying attention to what Snow has publicly said what he is looking for..

Andersson and Kylington do not help now, next season or replace Hamonic.

Homer, terrible poster... At least I can read..

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

Lol, totally missed this.

Call me what you want, at least I am paying attention to what Snow has publicly said what he is looking for..

Andersson and Kylington do not help now, next season or replace Hamonic.

Homer, terrible poster... At least I can read..

He said a cost controlled young D man to replace Hamonic.

You mentioned a way more expensive UFA awful D man and 2 young defenceman that can't even crack the flames line up regularly.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

IgiTang's is one of the worst posters here for throwing out absolute homer trades. That isn't even close to landing Hamonic, who is a top two defender on a sweetheart of a deal.
.

Why can't you make your points without making stuff personal? Criticize his trade idea - but there is no reason to start yet ANOTHER fight by telling him he's "one of the worst posters"...

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

Lol, totally missed this.

Call me what you want, at least I am paying attention to what Snow has publicly said what he is looking for..

Andersson and Kylington do not help now, next season or replace Hamonic.

Homer, terrible poster... At least I can read..

And Kulak and Wotherspoon are?

Weitz hit the nail on the head in his last post. Just because you think Wideman can step in and play for them now doesn't mean that comes close to being any kind of value for Hamonic... and naming Kulak and Wotherspoon is pointless. Those are b-level prospects that do nothing to sweeten that deal.


I said if they were to consider Wideman (and that's a big IF) it would take one of our best defensive prospects as a starting point in the big add.

You are way, way off on the value in this one.

[Strange Brew]

I have maybe seen 2 Islander games all season long so I am asking this question sincerely. Hamonic, before hurt, was playing top pairing minutes on a playoff team. And he is still young, 25, on a very team friendly contract. If he is on the Flames roster, he instantly makes Hamilton the #4 defenseman. Which from a cap perspective, doesn't work IMO.

Is Hamonic not really as good as the ice time stats make it appear? By my reasoning, the Isles should be able to extract a kings ransom for the guy. Look at what Russell fetched and multiply by x.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I have maybe seen 2 Islander games all season long so I am asking this question sincerely. Hamonic, before hurt, was playing top pairing minutes on a playoff team. And he is still young, 25, on a very team friendly contract. If he is on the Flames roster, he instantly makes Hamilton the #4 defenseman. Which from a cap perspective, doesn't work IMO.

Is Hamonic not really as good as the ice time stats make it appear? By my reasoning, the Isles should be able to extract a kings ransom for the guy. Look at what Russell fetched and multiply by x.

I would say it's two fold:

He's a very stabilizing, solid defeneman in his own end and also a good puck mover with decent offensive instincts. It's his defensive soundness that makes him such a great fit for any team as guys like that seem more and more rare.

Also, his cap-hit is a sweetheart of a deal.

I think he'd make the perfect partner for Hamilton, but the ask would be big and if the Isles are bent on getting a similar d-man back we seem like a very poor trading partner as we're not giving up our big 3.

[Poe969]

Any team in the league would want Hamonic on their team, heck every team would and I"m guessing the isles would love to keep him but he's pretty much said that he's going to play in western Canada next year. That fact alone really hamstrings the islanders here because there are realistically maybe 5 teams he'd want to play for. If he's dead set on only playing in western Canada then that's 4 teams. Sure, the isles can trade him to any team but he could just retire then sign a new contract with whoever he wants and that team would have given up assets for nothing.

It all boils down to 4 teams, you still have to offer market value for Hamonic but that market is only 4 teams. And as much as some want to poo poo all over wideman, he still has value.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

I would say it's two fold:

He's a very stabilizing, solid defeneman in his own end and also a good puck mover with decent offensive instincts. It's his defensive soundness that makes him such a great fit for any team as guys like that seem more and more rare.

Also, his cap-hit is a sweetheart of a deal.

I think he'd make the perfect partner for Hamilton, but the ask would be big and if the Isles are bent on getting a similar d-man back we seem like a very poor trading partner as we're not giving up our big 3.

Why not? Sounds like he is a better player than Hamilton today, on a better contract. Hamilton is younger but is it automatic he becomes a better defenseman?

Brodie is the better player so I get we wouldn't move him. Gio is the team's leader but I don't think the Isles would make that trade anyway, would they?

IDK, I think you need to figure out how to build a championship team without trying to build an all star team with your top 4 d-men. At least in a salary cap league.

[Poe969]

THing is, Hamonic isn't being paid as an all star. A lot of teams dream of having a guy who can be a top D man on their team with less than a 4 mil cap hit. This is exactly the kind of player that helps teams do that.