2015/2016 Trade Speculation and Rumors v2

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Blarg

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't Gillies be a 2nd year pro at the end of the 2016-2017 season, and therefore exempt from the expansion draft should it happen in the summer of 2017?

Actually since he burned a year off his ELC last year he is a 2nd year pro this year.

[Blarg]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

Actually since he burned a year off his ELC last year he is a 2nd year pro this year.

I'm sure someone know the CBA better than I do (Sureloss), but I think you need to play 40 games to accrue a full pro season.

[AC]

http://www.generalfanager.com/cba

A professional season is qualified by 11 or more professional games for an 18/19 year old player, or 1 or more professional games for a player aged 20 or older. This can include NHL, minor league, and European professional league seasons played while under an SPC.

So Gillies having played 7 AHL games this year will have had 2 professional seasons going into a potential summer 2017 expansion draft, suggesting he would have to be protected.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by AC

http://www.generalfanager.com/cba


So Gillies having played 7 AHL games this year will have had 2 professional seasons going into a potential summer 2017 expansion draft, suggesting he would have to be protected.

I was under the impression players with 2 or less professional seasons would be exempt.

[AC]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

I was under the impression players with 2 or less professional seasons would be exempt.

Yes, that's right I forgot to include what Alberta_Beef mentioned above; since Gillies burned a year of his ELC last season, he's likely going to be entering his 3rd professional season come October.

However he didn't technically play after signing his ELC, though he was effectively on the NHL roster as a Black Ace... so it gets complicated as I'm not sure if that technically counts.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by AC

Yes, that's right I forgot to include what Alberta_Beef mentioned above; since Gillies burned a year of his ELC last season, he's likely going to be entering his 3rd professional season come October.

However he didn't technically play after signing his ELC, though he was effectively on the NHL roster as a Black Ace... so it gets complicated as I'm not sure if that technically counts.

I've been under the impressed ELC years would be what they use to determine professional seasons.

[gunnner]

Doesnt a Hamonic for Trouba deal work well for both sides? Curious what the jets fans think. Id rather take that than one of the oilers soft forwards if Im the Isles.

[Poe969]

Trouba is going to want big money, I can't see the islanders wanting that. THey'd like to have Trouba as a player but Hamonic is on a good deal so the islanders are going to want someone either on an ELC or an affordable contract.

[Flames_F.T.W]

Originally Posted by gunnner

Doesnt a Hamonic for Trouba deal work well for both sides? Curious what the jets fans think. Id rather take that than one of the oilers soft forwards if Im the Isles.

It sounds like the Isles want a comparable young defenseman. So a package of some kind involving those players makes sense. They wouldn't want any of the Oiler's forwards because they need to replace Hamonic (unless of course it was a much bigger package)

[Flames_F.T.W]

Originally Posted by Poe969

Trouba is going to want big money, I can't see the islanders wanting that. THey'd like to have Trouba as a player but Hamonic is on a good deal so the islanders are going to want someone either on an ELC or an affordable contract.

I get the impression Trouba may be playing hardball (like Gio's initial 'asking price' of 9m per). I read somewhere (maybe rumours) that he's not crazy about living in Winnipeg, so could be trying to price himself out

[sureLoss]

Isles beat writer on why the Isles would be hesitant on taking Trouba for Hamonic.

Even in the summer, a Trouba-for-Hamonic deal would be problematic for many of the same reasons Isles GM Garth Snow couldn’t find a trade fit in September and October, when he had numerous discussions with his fellow general managers in hopes of accommodating Hamonic’s desire to move.

Hamonic has four years left on a contract that carries a cap hit of $3.857 million per year, with an actual salary of $4.875 million starting next season. Trouba is just finishing his entry-level deal and is reportedly searching for a long-term, big-money contract, possibly in the $6-7 million per year range.

Trouba’s agent is Kurt Overhardt, whose name doesn’t bring a smile to a general manager’s face. Overhardt’s clients include three players who held out after their entry-level deals expired.

Brandon Dubinsky, who held out for eight days before signing a two-year deal with the Rangers prior to the 2009-10 season; Kyle Turris, who held out on the Coyotes, signed a two-year deal in November and eventually was traded to the Senators during the 2011-12 season and Ryan Johansen, who held out on the Blue Jackets for the entire 2014-15 training camp before signing and was recently dealt to the Predators.

That is not a minefield Snow wants to enter, particularly if it means shipping off his most cost-effective defenseman. Perhaps there’s a larger deal to be made in the offseason involving Hamonic, but it makes no sense to jump the gun now that Byfuglien is signed.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Poe969

Trouba is going to want big money, I can't see the islanders wanting that. THey'd like to have Trouba as a player but Hamonic is on a good deal so the islanders are going to want someone either on an ELC or an affordable contract.

I've heard that too, but what has he dive to earn a contract like that? It's bizarre

[IgiTang]

Send Wideman, Kulak and Wotherspoon to NYI for Hamonic.

2 young D on ELC's who have shown well in their stints with the big club. Wideman provides a stable minute eating right hander that can help the PP for a season then he's off the books.

Kulak and Spoon are close to being NHL ready in terms of quality bottom pairing Dmen with upside.

This deal gives Snow everything he wants.

If people are thinking a one for one swap, you have to consider the return would be derwhelming.

Sure, a team may send a quality Dman, but likely it would be either an inferior Dman making about the same money as Hamonic or a equal or better Dman with as much or more upside that is likely going to cost Snow more in terms of cap hit (Trouba), or assets (due to Hamonic wanting out).

[spennywalks]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

Send Wideman, Kulak and Wotherspoon to NYI for Hamonic.

2 young D on ELC's who have shown well in their stints with the big club. Wideman provides a stable minute eating right hander that can help the PP for a season then he's off the books.

Kulak and Spoon are close to being NHL ready in terms of quality bottom pairing Dmen with upside.

This deal gives Snow everything he wants.

If people are thinking a one for one swap, you have to consider the return would be derwhelming.

Sure, a team may send a quality Dman, but likely it would be either an inferior Dman making about the same money as Hamonic or a equal or better Dman with as much or more upside that is likely going to cost Snow more in terms of cap hit (Trouba), or assets (due to Hamonic wanting out).

why would the isles move a young top 4 D with potential to be a top 2 player on an amazing contract for an old vet who can hardly skate with a massive cap hit with 2 prospects who are unlikely to ever be anything more than bottom pairing D?

[Poe969]

because he wants out. He said he'd stay there for this season but he isn't going back next year. Wideman had a crappy year but if he returns to last years form, the isles would love to have him. If the Flames give up Kulak and Spoon the isles get 2 good young guys who they can control for a few years. Maybe the Flames throw in a second or something and take back a contract but I don't think a deal like that one is too far off.

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by spennywalks

why would the isles move a young top 4 D with potential to be a top 2 player on an amazing contract for an old vet who can hardly skate with a massive cap hit with 2 prospects who are unlikely to ever be anything more than bottom pairing D?

Did you even bother reading my post? Agree or not, I still clearly said why I think it works for the Isles..

[Flames_F.T.W]

Originally Posted by Poe969

because he wants out. He said he'd stay there for this season but he isn't going back next year. Wideman had a crappy year but if he returns to last years form, the isles would love to have him. If the Flames give up Kulak and Spoon the isles get 2 good young guys who they can control for a few years. Maybe the Flames throw in a second or something and take back a contract but I don't think a deal like that one is too far off.

While I'd agree with much of this, I don't think Kulak and Spoon are the pieces Snow will be asking for. One of Andersson or Kylington are probably part of a package.... And I'm sure salary would have to be retained on Wideman, plus some picks (a 2nd minimum would be my guess).

Like others have noted, Hamonic's value is really high based on his VERY friendly cap hit.

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by Poe969

because he wants out. He said he'd stay there for this season but he isn't going back next year. Wideman had a crappy year but if he returns to last years form, the isles would love to have him. If the Flames give up Kulak and Spoon the isles get 2 good young guys who they can control for a few years. Maybe the Flames throw in a second or something and take back a contract but I don't think a deal like that one is too far off.

Exactly, whether it's the Flames and Isles or another team, I think this is the kind of deal Snow is looking for.

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by Flames_F.T.W

While I'd agree with much of this, I don't think Kulak and Spoon are the pieces Snow will be asking for. One of Andersson or Kylington are probably part of a package.... And I'm sure salary would have to be retained on Wideman, plus some picks (a 2nd minimum would be my guess).

Like others have noted, Hamonic's value is really high based on his VERY friendly cap hit.

I used Wideman as the example because his contract expires after next season, which actually can add value on a uncertain commodity as it doesn't leave the acquiring team handcuffed. The other 2 players are close enough to contribute very soon if not now, which the Isles need to round out their top 7 D.

Andersson and Kylington are 3-4 years away. Those are not the kind of players Snow needs to build a winner around JT ATM.

So again, a player with experience like Wideman to fill the void left behind from Hamonic and 2 players who have proven they can compete at the NHL level and are on ELC's who Snow can control.

Edit: I'm not saying this is the deal that is going g to happen. A similar package could be offered by many teams. But what teams that are on Hamonics wished destination, have the assets to pull this kind of deal off?

Pretty much only the Flames because their D prospect pool is sooo deep.

With Jokipakka and Nakladal showi g they are able to keep up, that allows some movement of on the cusp Dmen as they know Andersson and Kylington will be along in a few years. Not to mention, Morrison and others are also in the fold.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

Send Wideman, Kulak and Wotherspoon to NYI for Hamonic.

2 young D on ELC's who have shown well in their stints with the big club. Wideman provides a stable minute eating right hander that can help the PP for a season then he's off the books.

Kulak and Spoon are close to being NHL ready in terms of quality bottom pairing Dmen with upside.

This deal gives Snow everything he wants.

If people are thinking a one for one swap, you have to consider the return would be derwhelming.

Sure, a team may send a quality Dman, but likely it would be either an inferior Dman making about the same money as Hamonic or a equal or better Dman with as much or more upside that is likely going to cost Snow more in terms of cap hit (Trouba), or assets (due to Hamonic wanting out).

Awful for the Isles.

If they can't get a good comparable D man I am sure they will target replacing the scoring they will lose from Okopso this summer.