2015/2016 Trade Speculation and Rumors v2

[Roof-Daddy]

I just don't see BT trading assets for a starting goalie at/over/near his 30's when he could probably just sign Reimer.

I think if he trades for a goalie it'll be a younger, less established one like Kuemper for instance.

Unless of course he can transfer CAP dollars in a transaction for an older established starter. Then I could see it. Like Wideman for Halak, or something like that.

[MrMike]

Would a team really come after the likes of Gillies when there are teams with the possibilities of Bishop/Vasilevsky, Gibson/Anderson, Elliot/Allen, Fluery/Murray, Crawford/Darling, Lundqvist/Raanta. And there are many many more options in my opinion in getting quality NHL goaltending from a different team than ours.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by MrMike

Would a team really come after the likes of Gillies when there are teams with the possibilities of Bishop/Vasilevsky, Gibson/Anderson, Elliot/Allen, Fluery/Murray, Crawford/Darling, Lundqvist/Raanta. And there are many many more options in my opinion in getting quality NHL goaltending from a different team than ours.

Maybe not, but I don't want to find out. If Gillies is eligible, he will be protected IMO. You can't take that risk, you never know, maybe the LV guy sees him as the best option available after he picks goalie #1 and goalie #2.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

Maybe not, but I don't want to find out. If Gillies is eligible, he will be protected IMO. You can't take that risk, you never know, maybe the LV guy sees him as the best option available after he picks goalie #1 and goalie #2.

So by that logic then, we shouldn't pay any assets for a goalie this year that we may lose, and try to sign someone for free ala Cam Ward. But if we are looking to improve and be a legit team next year we need something better. Something like a Fluery or Bishop or Andersen in my opinion.

[IgiTang]

Was gonna say enough about Reimer, he's garbage. Then checked his stats.

Tor - 32gp 2.49 Gaa .918 pct
SJ - 7gp 5w 2L 1.87Gaa .927pct

If he can keep it up and play well in the playoffs, he maybe a decent stopgap goalie for a year or 2.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

Was gonna say enough about Reimer, he's garbage. Then checked his stats.

Tor - 32gp 2.49 Gaa .918 pct
SJ - 7gp 5w 2L 1.87Gaa .927pct

If he can keep it up and play well in the playoffs, he maybe a decent stopgap goalie for a year or 2.

He'll be looking for longer than "a year or two" as a UFA

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by MrMike

So by that logic then, we shouldn't pay any assets for a goalie this year that we may lose, and try to sign someone for free ala Cam Ward. But if we are looking to improve and be a legit team next year we need something better. Something like a Fluery or Bishop or Andersen in my opinion.

I wouldn't aim my sights too high if I was BT. By that I mean I wouldn't trade my 1st or anything crazy for a Bishop. I would target Reimer with the knowledge that either he or Gillies would need to be exposed (assuming Gillies will even be eligible). I might take a gamble on a goalie another team that is available because that team is trying to get something rather than run that risk. But that would have to be used as leverage because the Flames would putting themselves be in that same boat. That team would have accept less than market value beacause of that. If Pittsburgh will accept 2nd for Fleury, I might do it because one season of stability in net would be worth a 2nd to me. I would expose Fleury over Gillies in such a scenario. I would try Reimer first, but if he wants 5 years @5m or something I would rather spend the pick to avoid the potential extra two years, as I'm not entirely sold on Reimer.

I'm not bringing up Fleury specifically, just as an example. I think one way or the other, the Flames will trade for a goalie if they don't sign Reimer. I think that they will get a great deal because it's already a buyer's market for goalies and looming expansion is going to make it even worse for the sellers. BT seems smart enough to take advantage of a unique situation.

[Bezer]

Originally Posted by MrMike

Would a team really come after the likes of Gillies when there are teams with the possibilities of Bishop/Vasilevsky, Gibson/Anderson, Elliot/Allen, Fluery/Murray, Crawford/Darling, Lundqvist/Raanta. And there are many many more options in my opinion in getting quality NHL goaltending from a different team than ours.

It's a good point but I really wouldn't want to chance it.

[Harry Lime]

The last time there was an expansion draft, didn't the two teams take six goalies immediately in the first three rounds? I could see Gilles being a target with that sixth pick, if two teams are granted expansion. He might even be a third or fourth goalie picked with a one team expansion. Remember that Las Vegas would have to populate the AHL Delaware Sad People with two goalies, as well.

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

The last time there was an expansion draft, didn't the two teams take six goalies immediately in the first three rounds? I could see Gilles being a target with that sixth pick, if two teams are granted expansion. He might even be a third or fourth goalie picked with a one team expansion. Remember that Las Vegas would have to populate the AHL Delaware Sad People with two goalies, as well.

There's free agents and undrafted major junior players and NCAA graduates to choose from for AHL calibre goalies.

[Funkhouser]

Originally Posted by Yoho

He'll be looking for longer than "a year or two" as a UFA

Reimer may not have any better options...plus with the expansion drat looming, it is perhaps to his advantage to take a short deal and avoid getting stuck long-term in a market like Vegas, etc...

Offer him a 1 yr deal with a handshake deal to extend him if he meets certain targets.

[heep223]

Gillies is arguably the Flames best prospect overall. And at their weakest position to boot. You don't risk losing him, period.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Finger Cookin

There's free agents and undrafted major junior players and NCAA graduates to choose from for AHL calibre goalies.

Ah, but in the past, expansion teams did not pick goalies to play them in the AHL. They used them as trade bait to acquire assets that they actually needed.

There are probably a number of teams where the #2 goalie (or best goalie prospect) has more trade value than the #8 forward or #4 defenceman. Not sure if the Flames will be on that list a year from now, but it's definitely something they need to think about as they work on the roster this summer.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Sign Reimer for three years and if Gillies shows well next season don't cry if you lose Reimer in expansion.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by New Era

Sign Reimer for three years and if Gillies shows well next season don't cry if you lose Reimer in expansion.

Agreed

[Lanny'sDaMan]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Agreed

Total Off topic, but man your avatar.. Love it.


"Magic always comes with a price, dearie."

[Blarg]

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't Gillies be a 2nd year pro at the end of the 2016-2017 season, and therefore exempt from the expansion draft should it happen in the summer of 2017?

[flamesfan1297]

^I think your correct. We've discussed this before, and I believe he would be exempt

[Blarg]

Originally Posted by flamesfan1297

^I think your correct. We've discussed this before, and I believe he would be exempt

So why are some peeps worried about losing Gillies? A lot of worrying over nothing if you ask me...

[Calgary4LIfe]

Reimer has decent stats, but that isn't really the issue with people who don't like him (like me). I really don't like Reimer because he has these seemingly huge 'breakdowns' and allows easy shots he should stop get by him. Is he better than Ramo? If he is, I think it is negligible - assuming one thinks that Ramo at the start of the season was not himself, and that the season before that and the rest of the season after his call-up was 'Ramo'.

I wouldn't hate the idea of giving Reimer a chance - I think like Ramo, he shows some very good moments and even sets of games. I just hope the term is at least 2 years or less. Would that entice Reimer? Maybe. How many other teams are trying to plug a hole in the starter's position? I would think that the Flames could (and should) be attractive to all goalies who are looking for a starter's job.