2015/2016 Trade Speculation and Rumors v2

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Elliotte Friedman ‏@FriedgeHNIC
On Mantas Armalis: Lithuanian-born, Swedish trained goalie who doubles as, yes, a male model. Big guy (6'3-ish), having a strong year...

Elliotte Friedman ‏@FriedgeHNIC
TOR and CAR among the teams who have pursued him hardest...with TOR believed to be the favourite. But, we'll see how it plays out.

I will leave the googling of his male model pics to anyone that cares to do it.

According to my sources, Flames rescinded their contract offer when Armalis asked Ken King why he was building an arena/fieldhouse for ants while being shown a scale model of CalgaryNEXT

So this Mantas Armalis signed with San Jose, as did his Djurgardens team mate Marcus Sorensen.

Just noticed also, that this is the team Adam Ollas-Mattsson plays on.

[Mattman]

So after the HNIC panel speculating about who the Flames should aquire for a starter next year it was between Beb Bishop and Brian Elliot. But what do the Flames have to offer to those teams?

Ortio or Gilles would be going on the return but our roster players are so trash and over valued by Flames fans. That and both Tampa and St. Louis have little to no cap room so sending a roster player doesn't work.

Pretty much means if the Flames are making a trade it would have from our prospects and picks.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Mattman

So after the HNIC panel speculating about who the Flames should aquire for a starter next year it was between Beb Bishop and Brian Elliot. But what do the Flames have to offer to those teams?

Ortio or Gilles would be going on the return but our roster players are so trash and over valued by Flames fans. That and both Tampa and St. Louis have little to no cap room so sending a roster player doesn't work.

Pretty much means if the Flames are making a trade it would have from our prospects and picks.

I want no part of Brian Elliot. If he can't take a team like St. Louis anywhere what would he do here? Nothing about Elliot screams starting goalie to me.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Elliot has some pretty great stats over his career, but I think the Flames only go after him if they are confident that Ortio, or someone else, can give them 25-35 games. Elliot is a great tandem guy but not a true #1 IMO. I would take him in a heartbeat, he's Patrick Roy compared to the guys we've had since Kipper left. Just need to get him a good partner and we're set, and MAYBE Ortio is that guy.

[LIP MAN]

Ortio has respectable stats. I really wonder if we do ourselves a disservice by acquiring a starter that isn't necessarily elite. If it's the right price, sure. Just don't want another expensive anchor like Hiller on this team. Ortio is looking more and more like a starter to me.

[Mattman]

Also what are the chances of Tampa Bay trading RW Nikita Kucherov before he signs a pretty large contract this summer to clear cap space for Stamkos? This guy is gonna get north of 4 mil average.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Mattman

Also what are the chances of Tampa Bay trading RW Nikita Kucherov before he signs a pretty large contract this summer to clear cap space for Stamkos? This guy is gonna get north of 4 mil average.

Probably as likely as the Flames trading Gaudreau.

[nightfx]

Kucherov was their best forward this year, doubt they would trade him.

[Hackey]

4 million would be an absolute steal. He probably gets 6+. Can't see him moving.

[JJ1532]

If Tampa wants cap space, I think there are a bunch of guys that they will move before someone like Kucherov. Think they might move Bishop. Reckon they might buyout Matt Carle, that frees up some money. They also have the retained salary of Sam Gagner's contract to come off the books as well. They could have just enough to keep Stamkos at $9m-$10m and extend Kucherov at a big raise.

[Buck Murdock]

IMO best for flames to utilize cheap goal tending next season (Ortio) instead of trying to spend big $$ on established goalie.

[Dan403]

Originally Posted by Buck Murdock

IMO best for flames to utilize cheap goal tending next season (Ortio) instead of trying to spend big $$ on established goalie.

No.

We need NHL quality goaltending. That MIGHT be Ortio. But if it isn't we can't be caught with our pants down.

[Toonage]

Unless that goaltender ends up being Matt Murray, the Flames aren't going to go with cheap goaltending next season. Treliving has already said its their top priority and I expect they'll end up paying for it. Both in salary and likely picks given up.

[Mister Yamoto]

Originally Posted by Buck Murdock

IMO best for flames to utilize cheap goal tending next season (Ortio) instead of trying to spend big $$ on established goalie.

I don't care who the Flames get as long as it works. And Trelivings job should depend on it working. I don't know if goaltending is something that he is going to want to cheap out on.

[JJ1532]

Just remember, we are spending $8.1m on 2 goalies at the moment, 1 who is injured and barely an NHL average player and another who is hot garbage.

If we end up paying $5m for a replacement that can give us average goaltending, it will be worth it in my mind. Ortio is a more than capable backup and won't cost a lot to sign for another year.

[Table 5]

I think the Flames are in a position now where they need more solid goaltending for this group to take the next step. We're no longer in the part of the rebuild where you just drift along, dredging up draft picks, and looking forward to the future. While we're not set by any means, we're in the part of the rebuild where we have some good assets in position, and need to start trending up.

Last year was an anomaly. This year was a stutter. Next year has to be a step forward. Whoever the goalies are next year don't have to be franchise centerpieces...but they do have to provide solid enough goaltending to not become a distraction for the progress of everyone else.

[dammage79]

I'm hoping a couple of things happen next yer for the goalie position.

1. Don't bring in a slew of goalies. Throwing a ton of mud on the wall to see what sticks doesn't work. This season proved that.

2. Any goalie you bring in needs to be here 3 years. If it ends up being an Elliott type, it's ideal because the pendulums will swing to the younger guys by the end of the term.

3. Joni Ortio has earned his spot next season. Anoint him the #2 and forget about it. Your #3's will be the Stockton duo (Hopefully Lyon/Gillies but we'll see).

4. Look at other goalie coaching options. Nik Backstrom seems to have the head for it. I am convinced that part of the problem was a bad meshing of coach and goalies this year. Maybe Sigalet isn't bad and he isn't great, but the fit for so the very different styles of the 3 goalies may not have been great for him.

[Badgers Nose]

I want MAF. Pens can fill their boots with Murray.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I'm hoping a couple of things happen next yer for the goalie position.

1. Don't bring in a slew of goalies. Throwing a ton of mud on the wall to see what sticks doesn't work. This season proved that.

Are you implying they did that this year? They didn't bring a single new goalie into the organization over the 2015 offseason so I'm not sure what you mean. Going with Hiller/Ramo/Ortio was a smarter hedge than Hiller/Ortio or Ramo/Ortio. With hindsight everyone looks smart but the fact is if ONE of those three guys didn't play like ass for the first six weeks, this debate wouldn't exist at all. It's not Treliving's fault that all three dropped the ball so badly.

What do you think Treliving should have done instead? Trade a 1st for Jones/Lehner? Beat EDM's offer for Talbot? Only have gone with Ramo or Hiller?

[Bezer]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

I want MAF. Pens can fill their boots with Murray.

First he would have to waive is NTC (modified), and the Flames would have to try and work in 5.25 AAV for the next 3 years and actually give up some, probably valuable, assets to get a 32 year old goalie. Then if there is an expansion draft Treliving will be tasked with trying to figure out which ONE goalie he'd have to protect. There is possibility if Treliving protected Gilles (most likely target if Gillies qualified) and we lose our assets in the trade and possibly Fleury after a year or two... There has to be a better target.

All that being said I would like to have a goalie with MAF's stats in front of our team.