What RFA's Should Be Qualified And/Or Re-signed?

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by 868904

He along with Elson and Arnold don't put up points and aren't considered "sexy" so people don't want them back.

Personally, I think they should all be signed because they are good in their role. They aren't going to replace Gaudreau or Monahan in an injury, but they will be needed when guys like Bouma, Ferland, Hathway get inevitably injured.

I personally really like Elson, good speed, good forechecker, fearless, stands up for his teammates. Not the biggest guy, but all heart. I'd rather see him on the 4th line then Stajan and Bollig.

In the case on Van Brabant, he is going to be 25 this season and likely doesn't bring a lot to the NHL level and isn't worth developing more in the minors when other prospects are out there needing a chance.

A few of these guys will need to be let go.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

I voted to let Jooris, Shore, Hamilton Poulin and Ortio walk. I do not want any of the Flames goaltenders back except Gillies, I do not think Ortio has the mental ability to be a back-up and he is nowhere near good enough to be a starter.

Then you trade him, you don't lose him for nothing.

Why do people want the Flames to flush NHL assets down the toilet? It's a mystery.

[Mass_nerder]

How does johnny not have 100%?
How could anyone seriously think we should walk away from him?

[McG]

Originally Posted by Mass_nerder

How does johnny not have 100%?
How could anyone seriously think we should walk away from him?

e=ng.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Mass_nerder

How does johnny not have 100%?
How could anyone seriously think we should walk away from him?

No one thinks that seriously. It's either people trolling or fans of other teams.

[thymebalm]

I don't see a single name on that last that I wouldn't at least qualify.

Shore, Van Brabant, Elson, Poulin, Jooris.... that's all just good organizational depth, why would we want to give that up for no reason? Those are cheap easy assets to retain.

[Flash Walken]

Quick, someone give me an advanced stats comparison that favours Backlund and then give me another one that favours Colborne.

I need to know whether qualifying a 40 point player at 1.25 million is worth it or not.

[H2SO4(aq)]

Jooris' career likely over in the nhl I think. Other than his hot start last season he hasn't done anything

[Anduril]

Originally Posted by thymebalm

I don't see a single name on that last that I wouldn't at least qualify.

Shore, Van Brabant, Elson, Poulin, Jooris.... that's all just good organizational depth, why would we want to give that up for no reason? Those are cheap easy assets to retain.

Because for a lot of those players, it may be time to hit the reset button and let them go as we add new assets from drafts or FA signings.

[flamesfan1297]

Fess up, who didn't vote for Gaudreau and Monahan?

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by H2SO4(aq)

Jooris' career likely over in the nhl I think. Other than his hot start last season he hasn't done anything

He's a legit 4th line grinder. If we don't sign him I'd expect another team will give him a chance. While he isn't amazing, he's certainly NHL quality. Has NHL skating, size, hitting, work ethic, etc. Obviously Hathaway has jumped ahead of him on our depth chart but there's other teams in need of size, speed and hitting on their 4th lines plus he's a right shooter. And he's still quite young. I'd say there's almost no chance he's not on an NHL roster next fall.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Anduril

Because for a lot of those players, it may be time to hit the reset button and let them go as we add new assets from drafts or FA signings.

not to mention, the 50 man roster limit

room needs to be made for the new players each year

Andersson, Mangiapane, Jankowski, and Kanzig will all join the roster, and possibly Rafikov and/or Ollas-Mattson. Hopefully we see Lyon and Pribyl as well. Then there's a goalie to sign and maybe another UFA or two. Finally, the possibility of our first rounder jumping on board.

[flamesfan1297]

Originally Posted by H2SO4(aq)

Jooris' career likely over in the nhl I think. Other than his hot start last season he hasn't done anything

Someone will likely give him a two way deal if we don't. I think he'll see NHL action after this season. If only a short stint

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

not to mention, the 50 man roster limit

room needs to be made for the new players each year

Andersson, Mangiapane, Jankowski, and Kanzig will all join the roster, and possibly Rafikov and/or Ollas-Mattson. Hopefully we see Lyon and Pribyl as well. Then there's a goalie to sign and maybe another UFA or two. Finally, the possibility of our first rounder jumping on board.

Sure. But several Heat players are likely going to graduate to the NHL next fall. Guys like Nakladal, Wotherspoon and/or Kulak may not be back in the AHL. Up front the AHL team may lose guys like Hathaway and Grant and perhaps one of Agostino, Shinkaruk, Poirier, etc. Some of our CHL prospects who are turning pro may merely replace the AHL players who make the NHL next fall.

How many contracts are we at right now? Does anyone know?

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Then you trade him, you don't lose him for nothing.

Why do people want the Flames to flush NHL assets down the toilet? It's a mystery.

I don't think anyone will give up an asset for him, they didn't want him for free not too long ago.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Gaudreau-Monahan-UFA/trade
Frolik-Bennett Shink/Poirier/top 3 pick
Ferland-Backlund-Colborne
Bouma-Stajan-Hathaway
Ex: Jooris, Agostino/Arnold/Hamilton/Van Brabant

Brodie-Hamilton
Jokipakka-Giordano
Engelland-Nakladal
Ex: Wotherspoon/Kulak

UFA/trade
Ortio
Gillies
Poulin

Qualify all RFAs except Elson, signs him to a AHL deal.

Trade/Buyout: Raymond, Bollig, Smid

Trade bait: 2016-2nd(s), 2017-1st, Dallas 1st or 2nd.

Target UFAs: Okposo and Reimer

[Strange Brew]

Not ready to walk away from Jooris. He's atleast better than any other similar aged prospect who hasn't made the NHL. Maybe don't qualify him but still try to re-sign.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Sure. But several Heat players are likely going to graduate to the NHL next fall. Guys like Nakladal, Wotherspoon and/or Kulak may not be back in the AHL. Up front the AHL team may lose guys like Hathaway and Grant and perhaps one of Agostino, Shinkaruk, Poirier, etc. Some of our CHL prospects who are turning pro may merely replace the AHL players who make the NHL next fall.

How many contracts are we at right now? Does anyone know?

46/50 according to CapFriendly

I voted for everyone except VB, Poulin. I would trade Jooris away for very little.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

I don't think anyone will give up an asset for him, they didn't want him for free not too long ago.

That's an overly simplistic analysis because most NHL teams cannot afford to waste a roster spot on a 3rd goalie sitting on their team not playing. And he wasn't playing well when we originally sent him down. So him clearing waivers back in November or whenever means next to nothing at all. In the past we've seen players clear waivers and then get traded for a draft pick. Kris Russell was waived and then traded. Kristian Huselius was waived and then traded after.

Also your analysis is faulty because his trade value has likely increased massively since he's actually played well down the stretch and has now proven over a longer timeframe that he can play in the NHL. With his age and potential he's certainly worth something. Not qualifying him would seem like a stupid move.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

46/50 according to CapFriendly

I voted for everyone except VB, Poulin. I would trade Jooris away for very little.

Okay so 46. Now subtract 3 for Backstrom/Ramo/Hiller leaving as UFAs. I still think Wideman is going to be dealt. We'll need at least 1 goalie to replace the outgoing goalies. That leaves us at 43. So we can re-sign the majority of those RFAs if we want it looks like. You could always buy Raymond out if you needed another contract slot.