Ethics of eating meat

[GGG]

What is the unethical part of eating meat?

Is it the taking of a beings life or the suffering it goes through?
Where and how do you draw the line between an organism that is unethical to eat and one that is?

The spectrum for me would go something like
Monkey
Dolphin
Cow/Pig/chicken
Fish
Lobster/Shrimp/Crab
Insects
Plants

[Mr.Coffee]

That's what I was asking the vegetarians (legitimately) on page 1 or 2 and never got an answer, GGG. Not sure where a person can draw their arbitrary line.

[GGG]

I probably draw the line at monkey because it looks like me. Buts that's clearly speciest. I think arguements can be made for each levels there via intelligence or capacity for suffering. I don't think you can argue that being lower is inherently more ethical but I'm curious to here other persoectives

[Wormius]

I think for me, it depends on the animal's "importance" in its local ecosystem and its population.

[Derek Sutton]

Originally Posted by GGG

What is the unethical part of eating meat?

Is it the taking of a beings life or the suffering it goes through?
Where and how do you draw the line between an organism that is unethical to eat and one that is?

The spectrum for me would go something like
Monkey
Dolphin
Cow/Pig/chicken
Fish
Lobster/Shrimp/Crab
Insects
Plants

I would put cats and dogs above dolphin but below monkey. Horses would go after dolphin but above cow/pig/chicken. It basically starts with brainless and works it's way up to smartest, well here in North America anyways. But then again I think I would eat dolphin before I ate horse, maybe. I'm actually getting hugary thinking about it, I'm gonna go have a turkey bun with a side of left over pork tenderloin.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Who befriends animals? They're animals, not people.

Ever heard of a pet?

hmmm bacon

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Itse

Are you telepathic?

If not, you should try sticking to commenting what people say and not what you think they're thinking. Because most likely they're not thinking about you.

Also, just how does that logic work in general? When ever someone makes what he or she considers an ethical choice and says it out loud, it's somehow a bad thing?

That kind of makes any good discussion on ethics rather impossible.

Also, I really fail to see how you're willing to "live and let live", when at the same time you're aggressively shoving your ideas pretty much down everyones throats right in this thread.

It is a very simple proposition, Itse, and one I already noted.

If you choose to be vegan - and I really don't care about the reason why - that's cool. If we're going out somewhere and ask if I can accommodate your decision, I will consider doing so. But that is dependent on your willingness to accommodate my decisions too.

The moment you start preaching to me about how superior your choices are, you can F right off. I don't need to be telepathic to get the self-righteous vibe people Shogun revel in.

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by heep223

Your bro in law needs to grow a set.

Maybe he's just picking his battles. Perhaps pig roasts are not his hill to die on.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Reaper

Maybe he's just picking his battles. Perhaps pig roasts are not his hill to die on.

If they're not, he should re-evaluate his priorities.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by GGG

What is the unethical part of eating meat?

Is it the taking of a beings life or the suffering it goes through?
Where and how do you draw the line between an organism that is unethical to eat and one that is?

The spectrum for me would go something like
Monkey
Dolphin
Cow/Pig/chicken
Fish
Lobster/Shrimp/Crab
Insects
Plants

Originally Posted by GGG

I probably draw the line at monkey because it looks like me. Buts that's clearly speciest. I think arguements can be made for each levels there via intelligence or capacity for suffering. I don't think you can argue that being lower is inherently more ethical but I'm curious to here other persoectives

Originally Posted by Derek Sutton

I would put cats and dogs above dolphin but below monkey. Horses would go after dolphin but above cow/pig/chicken. It basically starts with brainless and works it's way up to smartest, well here in North America anyways. But then again I think I would eat dolphin before I ate horse, maybe. I'm actually getting hugary thinking about it, I'm gonna go have a turkey bun with a side of left over pork tenderloin.

I won't speak for anyone else, but IMO, it's not necessarily the eating of meat that is the unethical part, it's the treatment of the animals prior to their consumption. There is no reason other than flat cost that we can't allow these animals some semblance of a life before their death.

Dion's post is kind of barking up the wrong tree. Other than the most idealistic vegan/vegetarians are going to want these animals living their full lives until they die of natural causes. I'm not sure what the life span of a slaughter cow is but let's say 5 years (again, no clue if that's even close to accurate). Just asking that those 5 years aren't spent in a pen that keeps them stationary, being forcibly inseminated, not able to socialize with it's species, etc..

As far as the intelligence thing, pigs are as smart, or smarter, than dogs. Any list of animals you won't eat and why is completely arbitrary.

[Dan02]

Originally Posted by MattyC

I'm not sure what the life span of a slaughter cow is but let's say 5 years (again, no clue if that's even close to accurate)..

14 to 16 months, it's crazy how good we've got at growing them super fast.

[automaton 3]

The feedlots I've been around treat their animals well.

There may well be some bad operators out there, but I haven't seen them.

[ricosuave]

[keratosis]

[Aegypticus]

I'm a bit disappointed that this offshoot from the gear grinding thread ended up being solely about the ethics of eating meat.

I'm a person that really enjoys eating meat. I probably enjoy it a bit too much, to be perfectly honest. I definitely think I eat more beef than is good for me. I was kind of hoping for some discussion on the purported health benefits of eating a bit less meat and dairy, even if you don't plan to ever actually cut it out entirely.

I actually watched the entire video that SHOGUN posted in the gear grinding thread. I thought the lecture in general was terrible and the lecturer was a gigantic #######, and even though his presentation of meat alternatives was equally awful, it got me thinking. Surely there has to be better products out there, right? What he showed was a suite of products that all seemed designed to allow people to continue to eat unhealthy food like pizza and deep fried junk without actually eating meat. Seems like I might as well just keep eating home-cooked chicken breast if that's what's out there.

Is it worth opening yet another thread to discuss that kind of thing?

[Barbecue]

Originally Posted by keratosis

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are you going to post that pic for every thread on CP?

[keratosis]

Yes

[Buster]

I'm a Level 5 Vegan.

I don't eat anything that casts a shadow.

[Kavvy]

I really think in this day and age animals shouldn't have to suffer.

I don't understand why we don't have tougher laws on living conditions and killing methods of animals.

I eat them, and will continue to do so, but believe they should be able to live in some sort of minimum room size and be killed as quickly as feasible.

This will increase cost however, and as someone who can afford it, I can understand why others may oppose.

[Kavvy]

Originally Posted by Barbecue

are you going to post that pic for every thread on CP?

I found that post odd.

Posted in "Ethics of eating meat" a thread meant to discuss a hot topic which people are passionate about.
Posted in "grind my gears" - same thing.

Very odd.