[PGT] Kings 3 Flames 1 minus 1 because refs

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Ramo and Ortio have given us not just solid but great goaltending since Nov 13th (Ramo's amazing game in Washington)

Despite that the two goalies are a combined 19-19-4 since then.

19-19-4 is an 82 point pace. That puts us where, 10th in the conference instead of 11th?

Well Ortio is playing in front of a dismantled roster. We dealt Hudler and Jones for no help up front, basically eliminating our forward depth. That has meant our lineup has looked shady especially when injuries hit. Judging Ortio's win/loss record post trade deadline seems questionable given the circumstances. If Treliving adds two top six wingers in the offseason to a similar roster to what we have now you'd think that similar performances by Ortio or whomever would result in more wins than we are currently banking. It's questionable to use pace numbers and extrapolate when a huge part of the sample size might need to be thrown out.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Slacker

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by kirant

https://streamable.com/2kb3

Called no goal on ice, challenged, and upheld.

Looks like classic incidental contact

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Well Ortio is playing in front of a dismantled roster. We dealt Hudler and Jones for no help up front, basically eliminating our forward depth. That has meant our lineup has looked shady especially when injuries hit.

And that's our roster now. This is essentially the roster we're going into next season with, barring some trades.

If Treliving adds two top six wingers in the offseason to a similar roster

With what cap space? The one people insist be used on a goalie? Or the one where we magically make Wideman go "poof"?

to what we have now you'd think that similar performances by Ortio or whomever would result in more wins than we are currently banking.

Most of Ortio's wins have come after the deadline, actually.

It's questionable to use pace numbers and extrapolate

Those pace numbers represent 42 games. That's half a season worth or games played. And the sample starts in mid November, which just short of the beginning of the season.

when a huge part of the sample size might need to be thrown out.

Because of this team's cap situation with Monahan and Gaudreau, the post-deadline team is going to be more representative of what we're going into next season from a skater perspective with than the pre-deadline team.

[driveway]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Ramo and Ortio have given us not just solid but great goaltending since Nov 13th (Ramo's amazing game in Washington)

Despite that the two goalies are a combined 19-19-4 since then.

19-19-4 is an 82 point pace. That puts us where, 10th in the conference instead of 11th?

That's demonstrably untrue. Great goaltending starts at around a .930 5v5 save percentage. Ortio's about .928 since February 23rd, Ramo is lower than that.

And yes, decent goaltending gets us to the bubble of the playoffs. I don't think anyone is suggesting that if we had Lundkvist we'd be competing with Washington for 1st in the league. The team is still a rebuilding work-in-progress. Most of our key players are 25 or younger. Our top two scorers are 22 and 21. We're three-years removed from a complete tear-down and in that time our highest draft pick was 4th.

Goaltending is far from the only issue with this team. We give up too many quality chances; we're not particularly big; nor do we play a particularly tough style of hockey. There are totally legitimate criticisms which can be made of team defense, our possession metrics, our reliance on the break-out-pass, our lack of ability to carry the puck into the offensive zone.

Those are the things which, if improved, would turn a bubble team into a contending team. Last year we were a bubble-team who overachieved, this year we're a bubble team underachieving.

I believe the two primary culprits of our underachievement this year are our poor October and our goaltending (and I think our goaltending had a lot to do with our bad October). I think both the eye test and statistics bear this out. Again, I think around 80 points is where this team's true quality is, and + or - 10 points can be chalked up to the vagaries of the season. -10 points: right where we are as a result of a bad start, poor goaltending, bad special teams, and poor team defense (in that order, IMO).

Had things broken the other way, I think 90 points would have been attainable, again putting us back in the playoffs, at the top of the bubble.

[dino7c]

worst save percentage in the NHL by a country mile

"they have been great most of the year"

lol take a hike

anyone who doesn't think goal tending has cost the flames 7-10 games this year has not been watching

tonight certainly wasn't his fault sure that one I give you

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by driveway

That's demonstrably untrue. Great goaltending starts at around a .930 5v5 save percentage. Ortio's about .928 since February 23rd, Ramo is lower than that.

Those kind of save percentages are impossible when you give up one to multiple "no-chance" goals every game.

Again, I think around 80 points is where this team's true quality is, and + or - 10 points can be chalked up to the vagaries of the season.

I agree.

[Yanda]

Glad we lost, this team has no idea how to get early draft picks.

Year after year we play ourselves up the standings for no reason late in the season and we have less to show for it.

[AcGold]

2017-2018 is when we'll be a good team. We simply have too many anchors on payroll; Stajan, Bollig and Wideman take up a large sum and contribute very little. No way we'll fit in a big RW UFA and a decent starter when so much is being spent on players that would be useless in Stockton.

[FireGilbert]

Originally Posted by Yanda

Glad we lost, this team has no idea how to get early draft picks.

Year after year we play ourselves up the standings for no reason late in the season and we have less to show for it.

Monahan and Bennett are less to show for it? The Flames arguably got better players those drafts because of playing themselves up the standings.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Gaudfather

I hate California!!!

Second this!
Screw that whole damn state.
Want more than anything for a Matthews/Gaudreau/Monahan led juggernaut Flames team to stomp on all of them for years when this rebuild is done. Embarrass them without mercy and send all the bandwagon beach bums back to their inflatable tanning beds.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

Edmonton's last 3 games:

Calgary
Vancouver
Vancouver

Those last 2 games will be must watch TV to see how shameless both organizations can be on the tank. Hell, we may see Andy Moog, Frank Pietrangelo, Dave Lumley and Stan Smyl out there.

With Edm and Van 1 and 3 points behind the Flames, this is very good for tank implications. 12 round shootouts in both games?

[Aarongavey]

The Flames have to go with Hiller next game. It is an important game and his veteran leadership was brought in by BT for a reason. I think Hiller will get us the results we need the rest of the year, we cannot risk going with the young guy in net.

[Lanny_McDonald]

I'm on the Hiller bandwagon. Let's play him the rest of the season. George S. Patton has nothing on Jonas Hiller!

[Roof-Daddy]

5 games left for the Kings and they only need one more win to set a franchise record. This is the 5th time they've won 46 games in an NHL regular season.

Wow, what a year for them, simply incredible.

Hmmm, gee, I wonder if they would have had this good of a season if they were still on the hook for Mike Richards and his $5,750,000 cap hit?

Probably not, seeing as the last 4 players they acquired all had to have salary retained in order for the Kings to fit them in.

Boy, really lucky for them they were able to sleaze their way out of that one. And to think, there WAS 4 more years on that deal after this one.

Anyways, congrats Lombardi you cheating POS.

[Erick Estrada]

Must be something with the Kings or the guys in Toronto not bringing their glasses to work. Last week the same guys that called off Backlund's goal decided this was a good goal;

https://streamable.com/v8xj

The Kings are a good team do they really need the NHL giving them a helping hand like this?

[burnitdown]

Originally Posted by FireGilbert

Monahan and Bennett are less to show for it? The Flames arguably got better players those drafts because of playing themselves up the standings.

Monahan definitely worked out perfect for us. Would we really be disappointed with Ekblad, Draisaitl or Reinhart right now? Bennett is also looking good but he'd likely be drafted behind them all if there was a re-draft today.

[Benched]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Must be something with the Kings or the guys in Toronto not bringing their glasses to work. Last week the same guys that called off Backlund's goal decided this was a good goal;

https://streamable.com/v8xj

The Kings are a good team do they really need the NHL giving them a helping hand like this?

This is what slays me. They have been woefully inconsistent.


Part of the reason I hate this video review stuff. At least when they were inconsistent before I had less time to look at it, and stew on it, and evaluate it. Just a bad call and the game was on. Now the fail call, the hope it'll be overturned, and the crushing fail again is a roller coaster I don't care to ride any longer.

[Erick Estrada]

I would live to put those videos side by side and get the NHL to explain why the play where there's considerable contact in the crease is considered a good goal while the other which is basically a perfect screen play with little or no contact is not a goal. I don't think they could come up with an answer to defend themselves based on comparing the two videos. They basically got both calls wrong so there's really no point in reviewing the goals if you cant get the reviews correct.

[FurnaceFace]

Does it really matter though? We were still losing and they were still winning the game at 3-1 or 3-0. There is no extra credit in the standings for preventing a shutout.

I see being annoyed only for fantasy reasons if you were up against someone with Quick. (High 5 JS!)