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View Poll Results: Who is the MVP on the Hawks?
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Patrick Kane
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49.53% |
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Duncan Keith
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Jonathan Toews
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03-30-2016, 02:18 PM
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#21
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by PlayfulGenius
slightly off topic, but do you feel Brodie has the potential to be as good as Keith? ... obviously, they're not the exact same player, but I feel Brodie might turn out to be as valuable to the Flames once they're in contention ... I don't necessarily expect it, but I feel it's within reason as a possibility, based on his recent trajectory.
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Maybe if he gained 10 pounds of muscle and developed his shot more.
Keith is top 3 in the league. Nothing for Brodie to be ashamed of if he never gets there.
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03-30-2016, 02:20 PM
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#22
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: SW Ontario
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Originally Posted by thefoss1957
I voted Kane...the catalyst for much of the 'Hawk offense.
On the Keith incident.
IDK if Keith will miss any playoff time...Coyle finished the game, and the DOPS seems to take "severity" of injury into account...I expect 4 or 5 games. What is the minimum for the "in-person" review, 3 games? 'Hawks have 5 left on the schedule.
On the play...retaliatory? yes, unnecessary? Yes. undisciplined? Yes.
But, I was shocked that Coyle didn't get tagged for at least 2 minutes, himself. It looked like he got his stick high at Keith's mouth to start the play, and then jerked Keith's legs out to dump him.
Unfortunately, Keith, in frustration, swung wildly from his back. It seems that Keith can be goaded into these sort of retaliations, getting even with Sedin's uncalled cheap shot, taking out a missed trip by slashing Gaudreau, and this Coyle stuff...and this is wrong, however, I still hold that crappy Officiating adds to the incidents of, not just Keith's, but many of the other incidents of frustration/retaliation that you see in the league.
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Lets be honest - Keith is a dirty player. He's freaking amazing but also super dirty.
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03-30-2016, 02:22 PM
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#23
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Maple Ridge, BC
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It's Corey Crawford, guys. Look at how bad that team is without a goalie to save them right now. Seriously.
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03-30-2016, 02:23 PM
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Lifetime Suspension
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When the chips are down Kane usually comes threw with a key goal/point.
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03-30-2016, 02:33 PM
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Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Crowsnest Pass
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Stan Mikita
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03-30-2016, 02:35 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Chicago Native relocated to the stinking desert of Utah
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Originally Posted by PeteMoss
Lets be honest - Keith is a dirty player. He's freaking amazing but also super dirty.
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Always felt that SHARP was dirtier!! Watch him sometime!
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03-30-2016, 02:36 PM
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Crawford deserves to be in the Vezina discussions this year, a lot of the guys getting most of the hype have dropped off a bit. Especially Holtby who will win it because winz even though he's been rather average lately
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03-30-2016, 02:40 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Chicago Native relocated to the stinking desert of Utah
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Originally Posted by VANFLAMESFAN
It's Corey Crawford, guys. Look at how bad that team is without a goalie to save them right now. Seriously.
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While I like Crawford well enough, I've always felt that he is little more that a big, positionally sound, static type goaltender...needs a lot of help with clearing the puck, below average puckhandler, average glove. He needs the likes of Hjarlmasson, Seabrook, and Keith to clear the puck, clog shooting lanes, etc.
BTW...IMO, losing Hjammer, would be as disastrous for the 'Hawks as losing Keith. Top shot blocker, top PK D-man, top match-up D-man. Better than you think on breakouts, with the first pass.
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03-30-2016, 02:57 PM
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#29
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I picked Keith because I felt that his loss would hurt more. But all three have different roles to play and it is arguably because they have those 3 guys ably supported by other players (Hjarlmasson, Crawford, Panarin, Hossa, etc.) that they are a regular cup winner.
Elite talent at key positions
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03-30-2016, 03:24 PM
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#30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PlayfulGenius
slightly off topic, but do you feel Brodie has the potential to be as good as Keith? ... obviously, they're not the exact same player, but I feel Brodie might turn out to be as valuable to the Flames once they're in contention ... I don't necessarily expect it, but I feel it's within reason as a possibility, based on his recent trajectory.
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Yes.
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03-30-2016, 03:25 PM
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#31
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by PeteMoss
Lets be honest - Keith is a dirty player. He's freaking amazing but also super dirty.
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So was Pronger. It's a violent game, and guys gun for star players.
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03-30-2016, 03:45 PM
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#32
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: 555 Saddledome Rise SE
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Keith.
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Originally Posted by thefoss1957
While I like Crawford well enough, I've always felt that he is little more that a big, positionally sound, static type goaltender...needs a lot of help with clearing the puck, below average puckhandler, average glove. He needs the likes of Hjarlmasson, Seabrook, and Keith to clear the puck, clog shooting lanes, etc.
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Interesting assessment. If that's the case, it seems like Crawford could be one of the ones that will be most negatively affected by the equipment changes.
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03-30-2016, 04:36 PM
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Kane.
Toews is THE most overrated player in the NHL.
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03-30-2016, 04:39 PM
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Calgary, AB
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Originally Posted by BigTuna
Kane.
Toews is THE most overrated player in the NHL.
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Please tell me you're just trolling BigTuna.
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03-30-2016, 04:58 PM
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Keith is the overrated one. He's a very good d-man but is not top 3 in the league as some have suggested. He has significant deficiencies that are more than made up for by his puck moving skills (skating included).
Kane on the other hand is clearly among the elite at forward. Toews is too, but Kane's a cut above, and the two-way play doesn't make up the difference. Arguable who's more valuable though owing to Toews clearly being the guy driving the bus as the captain. Kane just doesn't strike me as that guy.
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03-30-2016, 05:32 PM
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Fort St. John, BC
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This year? Kane. Regular season? Keith and Toews almost equally. Playoffs? I don't think any of the three are more valuable than the other in the playoffs, that's why they each have a Conn Smyth. All three of them find an extra gear when the playoffs roll around, Toews especially with his massive clutch goals
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03-30-2016, 05:39 PM
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#37
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
Keith is the overrated one. He's a very good d-man but is not top 3 in the league as some have suggested. He has significant deficiencies that are more than made up for by his puck moving skills (skating included).
Kane on the other hand is clearly among the elite at forward. Toews is too, but Kane's a cut above, and the two-way play doesn't make up the difference. Arguable who's more valuable though owing to Toews clearly being the guy driving the bus as the captain. Kane just doesn't strike me as that guy.
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lol @ Keith not being top 3 in the league.
Lemme guess Karlsson and Brent Burns are 
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03-30-2016, 06:09 PM
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#38
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I think Keith has been the most consistent over their 3 cup runs. Toews and Kane seem to have peaks and valleys, but Keith is always solid.
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03-30-2016, 06:12 PM
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#39
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Originally Posted by smiggy77
Please tell me you're just trolling BigTuna.
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This "Best Overall" player stuff is nonsense. The guy is on pace for less than 60 points.
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03-30-2016, 06:13 PM
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Calgary, AB
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Originally Posted by BigTuna
This "Best Overall" player stuff is nonsense. The guy is on pace for less than 60 points.
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Most overrated in the NHL?!
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