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Old 03-29-2016, 03:55 PM   #141
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But oil afc. Oil. They must be our friends if they have oil. Oh, you beheaded that journalist? Well just give me an extra $2/bbl off the price and we'll call it even.
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I think at this point it's 50% oil and 50% the disastrous hell hole that place would become without the Kingdom cracking down on its citizens. Tilting more towards the latter every day.
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I think at this point it's 50% oil and 50% the disastrous hell hole that place would become without the Kingdom cracking down on its citizens. Tilting more towards the latter every day.
I'm going to be frank, we would be better off if Saudi looked like Syria, a devastated broke down mess, because it's the funding that pours out of Saudi to Schools and mosques all over the world that has caused this trouble.
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I'm loathe to get into much of this but I will point out having grown up in London with many many Pakistani friends back in the Seventies, none of them gave a #### about sharia law, they were all becoming as western as possible as quickly as possible.

The advent of hardline Wahhabi/suffist philosophy is very new, it's only the last thirty years that Saudi has been selling this crap to the masses in an attempt to keep its people in order.
One of the things we should do is stop seeing Saudi as an ally, they are not, they are more trouble than Putin and Saddam Husain combined.
So true. British Muslims in the 70s were exactly as you describe until the Saudi mosques started spreading their Wahhabi philosophy in the schools at the mosque. It's amazing that the government didn't see this coming. If they read one text book given to children they would see that they are teaching kids that anyone who is not the same sect of muslim or not muslim at all should be killed.

Now you have lunatics like Azam Chaudry and his ragger prick convert buddy standing on the streets like some sort of public face of islam when really they are the street church/westborough baptist church of Islam. When they show up outside mosques after prayers they piss off everyone and don't seem to have a lot of support outside. But the support they do have is from lunatics.

A Ahmadiyya muslim shopkeeper was killed because he wished his catholic friends a happy easter. The Ahmadiyya muslims don't believe Mohammad was the messiah but Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is and they also believe in peace and respect for other religions like Hinduism does. Of course they are considered blasphemous by the Sunnis and Shia.

Secular TV should also be banned as all it does is flame the conflicts between these groups and endoctrinate citizens.
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I'm going to be frank, we would be better off if Saudi looked like Syria, a devastated broke down mess, because it's the funding that pours out of Saudi to Schools and mosques all over the world that has caused this trouble.
Better eventually maybe, but probably not for a long time. The money would still exist and there'd be zero control over where it went or who controlled their military.
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Better eventually maybe, but probably not for a long time. The money would still exist and there'd be zero control over where it went or who controlled their military.
Its bound to happen. Citizens won't be able to be controlled forever. If you go away from the glitzy areas Saudi Arabia does look a lot like Syria with scummy buildings and no sanitation. That's not the image they let you see though. You are pretty much banned from taking video/pictures in the country.

Watch 'Saudi Arabia Uncovered" by ITV/Frontline.
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Can we somehow convince/con the Great Almighty Democratic Republic of North Korea into making Saudi Arabia their enemy?
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Well not if the goal is to reform them instead of their total annihilation.
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Can we somehow convince/con the Great Almighty Democratic Republic of North Korea into making Saudi Arabia their enemy?
I don't think it would take much. "Hey Kim, The Saudi King called, his grandma wants her hair style back" or produce a film of Kim being executed and at the end put "A Saudi Arabia Production"
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Well not if the goal is to reform them instead of their total annihilation.
It's impossible to reform someone when they feel like you don't have a right to exist.

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Can we still pack up our war junk and vacate the middle east? Or is that offer off the table now? Serious question.
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Old 03-29-2016, 04:31 PM   #152
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But I'll mention it again, sharia law and extremism are two very different things. I don't believe in Sharia law but people should understand that sharia law and extremism do not go hand in hand.
About as far as I'd be willing to tolerate is voluntarily submitting to arbitration by religious counsellors in family law. We allowed that in Canada for Christian groups and orthodox Jews for decades. I thought Muslims in Canada were treated unfairly when they applied for religious family courts and were turned down. Though IIRC, the upshot was that all the religious courts were shut down, so it was equitable in the end.

Ultimately, the issue is whether secular laws or holy texts are the ultimate authority in the land. And that's a pretty big issue.

Yes, in the U.S. conservative Christians lobby to have the laws of the land reflect the bible and conservative Christian doctrine. If they don't get their way, they elect politicians and try to change the laws. What they don't do is deny the very legitimacy of American courts and laws, and administer biblical punishment outside the purview of the law.
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Old 03-29-2016, 04:32 PM   #153
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This is a laughable post. Minorities in Israel are one of the worst treated people in Israel and the U.N agrees. It's sickening how they treat black Jewish people there. Israel is a very racist country don't kid yourself.
Your hateful post clearly demonstrates you are either willfully trying to spread untruths to vilify Israel or you have been misinformed.

Israel has very clear human right laws, similar to Canada or the USA. With that said, they are still subject to racism, just like Canada or the USA. Is it worse than Calgary? Not sure, probably about the same, even with the political conditions as they are.

Black, white, Muslim or Jew, the rules are the same in Israel, but racism exists probably everywhere. Where there are gaps, the Israeli government does try to intervene and figure out solutions.

Calling Israel a 'very' racist country is compared to what other country? Do you mean comparing being openly gay between Israel and Pakistan? Or how about treatment of Jews in Pakistan vs Muslims in Israel? How about immigration in Israel versus what Europe is going through now?

Please give some examples of how Israel is the worst, sickening or racist. To call them out though amongst the sea of nations with deplorable human rights is dishonest. Pretty standard for the typical Israel critics, to judge them differently from everyone else.
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Your hateful post clearly demonstrates you are either willfully trying to spread untruths to vilify Israel or you have been misinformed.

Israel has very clear human right laws, similar to Canada or the USA. With that said, they are still subject to racism, just like Canada or the USA. Is it worse than Calgary? Not sure, probably about the same, even with the political conditions as they are.

Black, white, Muslim or Jew, the rules are the same in Israel, but racism exists probably everywhere. Where there are gaps, the Israeli government does try to intervene and figure out solutions.

Calling Israel a 'very' racist country is compared to what other country? Do you mean comparing being openly gay between Israel and Pakistan? Or how about treatment of Jews in Pakistan vs Muslims in Israel? How about immigration in Israel versus what Europe is going through now?

Please give some examples of how Israel is the worst, sickening or racist. To call them out though amongst the sea of nations with deplorable human rights is dishonest. Pretty standard for the typical Israel critics, to judge them differently from everyone else.

Don't make up stuff. What Israel claims about human rights and what is reality is far off. Israel disgusts me as do a lot of Middle Eastern countries but especially Israel since they claim to be democratic. Watch the following video and tell me your views on Israel doesn't change even a little bit.

Calling them the N word telling them to go back to Africa. Any Jewish person is allowed and welcomed in Israel unless you're black of course. You'll get people telling you to go back home and they'll even refuse to rent you a house to live in if you're black and they have equal rights? Give your head a shake. Israel is not something any country in the Middle East should look up to. They're better in a lot of ways and worse in others.




This is the same as in Canada? Don't compare Canada to Israel. Canada is one hundred times the country Israel is.
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Dude, who the heck have you been listening to?

https://freedomhouse.org/report/free...dom-world-2016

Israel gets an 80. One point better than South Africa, roughly in the range of India and South Korea. It's not Canada, but it's sure as #### better than every other country in the region.
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Dude, who the heck have you been listening to?

https://freedomhouse.org/report/free...dom-world-2016

Israel gets an 80. One point better than South Africa, roughly in the range of India and South Korea. It's not Canada, but it's sure as #### better than every other country in the region.
Did you watch the video? Watch all of it and defend it. As usual I don't care about some fancy numbers. Or are you going to cite corsi instead of watching an actual hockey game?

Watch the real racist video I posted and tell me that happens in Canada as Nage stated.

Go ahead defend it and don't bother replying unless it's about that video.
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So true. British Muslims in the 70s were exactly as you describe until the Saudi mosques started spreading their Wahhabi philosophy in the schools at the mosque. It's amazing that the government didn't see this coming. If they read one text book given to children they would see that they are teaching kids that anyone who is not the same sect of muslim or not muslim at all should be killed.

Now you have lunatics like Azam Chaudry and his ragger prick convert buddy standing on the streets like some sort of public face of islam when really they are the street church/westborough baptist church of Islam. When they show up outside mosques after prayers they piss off everyone and don't seem to have a lot of support outside. But the support they do have is from lunatics.

A Ahmadiyya muslim shopkeeper was killed because he wished his catholic friends a happy easter. The Ahmadiyya muslims don't believe Mohammad was the messiah but Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is and they also believe in peace and respect for other religions like Hinduism does. Of course they are considered blasphemous by the Sunnis and Shia.

Secular TV should also be banned as all it does is flame the conflicts between these groups and endoctrinate citizens.
That is not true. Ahmadi Muslims do believe in Prophet Mohammad. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is the promised Messiah who was a follower of Prophet Mohammad. Ahmadis were denounced from Islam in Pakistan and regularly killed by Sunni's who don't believe in Mirza Ghulam Ahmad.
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Go ahead defend it and don't bother replying unless it's about that video.
Hahahaha you absolutely must be trolling.
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Hahahaha you absolutely must be trolling.
Are you going to defend the video? Or even watch it? Racism in Israel happens and it isn't as great of a country or as free as Canada. Not even close. It's just another hell hole in the Middle East.
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I traveled to Israel earlier in November and found it the exact opposite of what you post and say, and anything on TV.

Beautiful country and they are a very accepting people.

Maybe you just need to travel and get out more.
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