Who might be on the move this summer?

[Otto-matic]

Pat Steinberg gives his take on what this summer may bring for the Flames.

http://flamesnation.ca/2016/3/29/who...ummer#comments

Usual suspects, Wideman/Engelland are on the list but Bouma is surprising.

Moving Bouma would be blasphemy in some circles, but it's not a farfetched idea by any stretch. In fact, I know the Flames were in discussions with a few teams regarding Bouma right before the deadline. It wouldn't surprise me at all to see Bouma moved this summer for a few different reasons.

I could see Hathaway replace him but he's a player I'd be willing to give one more season before pulling a deal on.

[Ozy_Flame]

Yea, Bouma is becoming less relevant. With the disaster season he had, and the emerging bottom-six talent (Arnold, Agostino, Hathaway) and the presence of Bollig, Stajan and Jooris next year, he is rounding himself out.

Wouldn't be surprised to see himself and Joe Colborne in new jerseys next season.

[DJones]

I want to see Bouma with a healthy year and with some better line mates.

Bouma - Grant - Ferland/Hathaway as a 4th line would be fun.

So I want Stajan and Bollig gone

[Funkhouser]

I suspect Engelland is moved as his value is presently higher than Wideman. (Wideman will be held until the deadline)

Bouma and potentially Colborne and Jooris will be on the move upfront. All have proven expendable, and although Colborne is presently playing well but there is doubt by many that this is sustainable. Bollig will be kept as the 14th fwd.


Next year:
Gaudreau - Monahan - UFA signing
Shinkaruk - Bennett - Grant/2016 Draft Pick
Ferland - Backlund - Frolik
Jooris/Bouma - Grant/Arnold - Hathaway
Bollig

Brodie - Hamilton
Giordano - Wideman
Wotherspoon - Nakladal

Reimer
Ortio

-Smid on LTIR
-Stajan & Raymond bought out

[Roof-Daddy]

Bouma to me is a candidate to have a huge bounce back season, but I also wouldn't be that surprised if the Flames moved him.

Wideman just HAS to be moved IMO, and I have no idea how they pull it off, but Smid needs to go......somewhere too.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Players that stood out like a sore thumb last night were Stajan, Bollig and Bouma. Their lack of speed is really problematic. All three should be moved as there are better and cheaper solutions available in the system.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by New Era

Players that stood out like a sore thumb last night were Stajan, Bollig and Bouma. Their lack of speed is really problematic. All three should be moved as there are better and cheaper solutions available in the system.

I'm not ready to cast Bouma out. Had just an awful season injury wise, and has struggled to get into the flow of things because of it.

I'd look for him to bounce back next year.

I'm with Roof-Daddy. Wideman can't be here next season. It is an actual case of addition by subtraction.

[Ozy_Flame]

The thing is with Bouma - he plays such a hard, grinding style, throwing his body around - can we continue to rely on him when every injury just seems to mean that much more wear and tear on his body? Is he going to be able to keep the pace?

We expected the same from Ferland this year; the kind of play that drove the Canucks mental in the playoffs. And while we saw glimpses of it, we certainly didn't see any consistency.

I worry that we're holding on to players too long to give them that "extra" chance. Make no mistake; Bouma is, for the most part, replaceable.

[Resolute 14]

Bouma, if he stays healthy, will have a bounce back season. The problem is that what you can expect from him offensively simply isn't that high. Last year was a total outlier for him, at any level of hockey. So what you really get from Bouma is his physicality and penalty killing. If you think you can replace that with guys like Ferland and Hathaway, then the only thing really holding you back on dealing Bouma is the issue of buying high and selling low.

Colborne is also a guy I would be surprised to see return. He's done well enough for us, but like Bouma last year, his offensive production this year will net him a decent raise. With the contracts we have coming up, we simply don't have the space for Joe without a pretty decent hometown discount attached.

[Vinny01]

Bouma for Yakupov

Flames get a RW project that can still potentially get to be a 20-25 goal scorer. The risk is he is a total bust but the hope is he needs a fresh start.

Oilers get a gritty winger to help fill out their bottom 6 which I think they desperately need as well

[GreenLantern2814]

If you can trade Bouma, do it. He's a good player and he has value, but he makes too much money for us. I don't think he never sniffs 17 goals again.

[Tbull8]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Bouma for Yakupov

Flames get a RW project that can still potentially get to be a 20-25 goal scorer. The risk is he is a total bust but the hope is he needs a fresh start.

Oilers get a gritty winger to help fill out their bottom 6 which I think they desperately need as well

This is a joke right?
That's like suggesting we trade Poirier for Matt Hendricks

[Flames Draft Watcher]

I disagree with Steinberg. Engelland and Bouma are two of the biggest warriors on this team. Removing them reduces our physicality and toughness to an unacceptable level so their roles would have to be replaced by similar players. We have no defensemen in the system who have the snarl and bite of Engelland. He's our only really physical, defensive defensemen. Bouma I don't think is easily replaced on LW either. He's one of our best forecheckers, best penalty killers, best checkers, best shot blockers. I think he's a real identity player on those bottom two lines with his self sacrifice. He's not that much overpaid that we should be looking to move him. His poor numbers this year are due to injury, not poor play.

Wideman has to be moved IMO. His salary makes zero sense in our structure given that his role has basically been completely replaced by the much, much cheaper Nakladal. Same goes for Smid who can easily be replaced by Jokipakka, Wotherspoon or Kulak.

Stajan has also become completely redundant and overpaid as his role could easily be replaced by one or two of Grant, Hamilton, Shore or Arnold. Not sure how we'd get rid of him and we may need to keep him for the expansion draft.

Most important to keep on Steinberg's list? Engelland. His toughness on the blue line cannot be replaced from within and I think they like his leadership as well. He's played extremely well this year IMO.

Bouma I guess you could trade if another team wants to overpay for him but I'd prefer keeping him.

Wideman, Stajan and Smid are the 3 most overpaid players on this team for their role and all can be easily replaced by options within the Flames system. Raymond obviously has no role on the team but I'm not sure how you get rid of him.

[Harry Lime]

It's curious to me that people always have Bollig pencilled into the 13th forward role instead of Stajan. Ferland/Englland bring enough of a 'fighter' presence in place of Bollig, and Stajan is far more capable on the ice.

Who I can see being moved out : Ramo, Hiller (through UFA), Colborne, Kulak and Wideman. I think that Colborne commands a bigger salary going forward than his role on the team dictates, and Kulak is the odd man out, with value, on defense.

Who I would love to see targeted : Chaisson, a middle six RW who fights and is physical. Opens up space, and that is valuable on this team. Elliott, one year left on his deal, might be open to a further two year extension at a reasonable price to eventually teach Gilles.

And that's it. Roll with everyone else.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

I disagree with Steinberg. Engelland and Bouma are two of the biggest warriors on this team. Removing them reduces our physicality and toughness to an unacceptable level so their roles would have to be replaced by similar players. We have no defensemen in the system who have the snarl and bite of Engelland. He's our only really physical, defensive defensemen. Bouma I don't think is easily replaced on LW either. He's one of our best forecheckers, best penalty killers, best checkers, best shot blockers. I think he's a real identity player on those bottom two lines with his self sacrifice. He's not that much overpaid that we should be looking to move him. His poor numbers this year are due to injury, not poor play.

Wideman has to be moved IMO. His salary makes zero sense in our structure given that his role has basically been completely replaced by the much, much cheaper Nakladal. Same goes for Smid who can easily be replaced by Jokipakka, Wotherspoon or Kulak.

Stajan has also become completely redundant and overpaid as his role could easily be replaced by one or two of Grant, Hamilton, Shore or Arnold. Not sure how we'd get rid of him and we may need to keep him for the expansion draft.

Most important to keep on Steinberg's list? Engelland. His toughness on the blue line cannot be replaced from within and I think they like his leadership as well. He's played extremely well this year IMO.

Bouma I guess you could trade if another team wants to overpay for him but I'd prefer keeping him.

Wideman, Stajan and Smid are the 3 most overpaid players on this team for their role and all can be easily replaced by options within the Flames system. Raymond obviously has no role on the team but I'm not sure how you get rid of him.

Steinberg isn't a big Engelland fan so take with a grain of salt. It makes absolutely no sense to get rid of the only defenseman you have that's tough to play against and can drop the gloves if necessary especially when he's on the last year of his deal to which he could fetch a much better return at the deadline if the team isn't in a playoff position. There have been plenty of Flames trade rumors over the last year and you have never heard Engelland's name in them so I don't think he's going anywhere. I'm sure they will desperately shopping Wideman to free up $5 million in cap space but I just don't know if they will find a taker unless it's contract for contract. I think there may be a few salary cap casualties and Bouma with two years left on his deal IMO is a candidate and I appreciate what he brings to the team I don't think he's at a skill level that he can't be replaced with a cheaper players and unlike some other players he probably is more desirable to other teams and therefore easier to move. Bollig and Stajan as well I'm sure they will shop but I'm not sure if there will be interest in either. Raymond is untradeable.

[Leeman4Gilmour]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

I disagree with Steinberg. Engelland and Bouma are two of the biggest warriors on this team.
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Engelland, I do agree with and to some extent I agree with Bouma as well. However, for me, Bouma is like Nystrom. I hated to see Nystrom go but, once he did, the loss wasn't that big of a deal. And, from my limited viewings, Hathaway can replace Bouma's role.

[Roof-Daddy]

I still like my idea for transferring Wideman's $$ to goaltending by retaining $750,000 and trading him to NYI for Halak.

Good quality veteran starter for two seasons.

Of course, that would mean the Isles would have to be interested in 1 year of Wideman for $4,500,000.

[pylon]

Bouma, Ferland... these types of player are proving to have a very short, unsustainable shelf life. Milan Lucic only comes along once in a blue moon, and as much as these guys try to emulate him, that is a very rare player. I think Hathaway has proven how easy come, easy go these types of players are.

[calgaryblood]

Murray Edwards?

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

It's curious to me that people always have Bollig pencilled into the 13th forward role instead of Stajan. Ferland/Englland bring enough of a 'fighter' presence in place of Bollig, and Stajan is far more capable on the ice.

-I think the Flames would like to minimize the amount of fighting Ferland does due to concussion issues.

-You don't really want your primary pseudo-enforcer to be a defenseman because losing a defenseman for 5 minutes for fighting or worse, 5, 2 and 10 is a lot more detrimental than losing a 4th line forward for that same amount of time.

For those reasons Bollig still makes a lot of sense to have as our 14th forward who Hartley can choose to play vs big, nasty teams.