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Old 03-29-2016, 05:25 AM   #41
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Monahan has been very consistent over his 3-year career and he is steadily improving in all aspects of his game. We were unbelievably lucky to land him where we did.

I could see him wearing the little 'C' next to the big flaming 'C' when Giordano moves on.
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Old 03-29-2016, 06:40 AM   #42
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Depending on how Shinkaruk, Porier, Klimchuck turn out the 2013 draft could be a huge one for this flames team. I was always in the Monahan camp as soon as I found out we were drafting 6th. Glad the Canes screwed up and took Lindholm

That 2011 draft was one that I recall Feaster saying would change the organization and he was definitely right. The Flames picked 5 players and every single one of them has played in the NHL. Sven, Granlund, and Brossiot have been traded. Wotherspoon will be pushing for a spot next year full time. Gaudreau has turned into a franchise winger and the Flames acquired the 9th pick in Hamilton who is looking like a beast right now.
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Old 03-29-2016, 07:14 AM   #43
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I'm not that interested in comparing who is a notch above or below who. I like Sean Monahan, and with him and Bennett and Backlund our future at center is looking better than ever in my living memory
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Old 03-29-2016, 07:44 AM   #44
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I don't think Jones is a bust but I'm lukewarm on him being a franchise defenseman as he's not quite the package that was sold pre-draft. I would still take Mackinnon over Monahan because he's a superior skater and long term this will tilt the scales in his favor despite the fact that they are already on similar scoring paces to start their careers. Barkov looks like the best overall player out of the draft to date but time will tell.

1. Barkov
2. Mackinnon
3. Monahan
4. Ristolainen
5. Lindholm

Honorable mention to Duclair (steal of a trade their by the Coyotes) and Domi.
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Old 03-29-2016, 08:39 AM   #45
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It goes to show that good scouting and drafting can win out over lucky lottery wins. My favorite teams picked up (arguably) the best forward and the best defenseman, who could go #1 and #2 in a re-draft, at #6 and #8. Likely the same spots they'll be picking at this year too...
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Old 03-29-2016, 08:45 AM   #46
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I don't get too hung up on the 'what have you done for me lately' thing. McKinnon could get hot next and move back out in front, but who cares? I'm concerned with who is going to have the better career. And I like putting guys in groups when they are close. For me it's:

1) McKinnon, Barkov, Monahan
2) Jones, Ristolainen
3) Horvat, Domi, Lindholm
4) Nichushkin, Wennberg
5) Nurse, Drouin, Duclair

where each group is about even so take the one you like
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Old 03-29-2016, 09:12 AM   #47
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Old 03-29-2016, 09:30 AM   #48
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I don't get ranking Barkov ahead of Monahan. Even though it's probably splitting hairs to choose between them.
It's a small sample size, but Barkov did nothing to show me he's better that Monahan both times the Flames played his team this year.
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Old 03-29-2016, 09:34 AM   #49
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Found this on the HF Panthers, Hudler's thoughts about Barkov starts at the 4:35 mark.

https://soundcloud.com/siriusxmnhl/f...-the-powerplay
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Old 03-29-2016, 09:44 AM   #50
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One thing that seems to be going under the radar here while discussing Barkov is injuries. The guy misses a lot of games. Do you want Monahan in for 80-82 games, or the slightly better Barkov for 60-70 ?
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Old 03-29-2016, 10:31 AM   #51
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Impressive player already at 21, and will hopefully continue to improve as he enters his prime.
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Old 03-29-2016, 10:34 AM   #52
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I'm more impressed by Monahan's defensive game over the last 20 games than I have been during the rest of his career. I think he's taken huge steps in the last month or two on that side of the game. Really excited for him next season.

I'd rank them as:
1. Monahan
2. Barkov
3. Mackinnon
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Old 03-29-2016, 10:42 AM   #53
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Bigger, stronger, longer reach, more physical. I think Barkov is going to be nearly impossible to check when he's hit his peak. He's an absolute beast. Extremely skilled, good two way. He's a prototypical #1 huge franchise centre IMO. Absolutely lethal on the shootout as well.

I love Monahan and his last half this season has erased concerns I had about his first half but I think Barkov has the chance to be a Getzlaf type dominant, #1 power centre but I think he can be even better than Getzlaf. Monahan I think is just a slight notch behind. MacKinnon I feel has fallen behind both of them.
This is how I feel as well. I love Monahan, but Barkov is the prototypical ''full toolbox'' type of player. When he fills out and reaches his peak, he'll be one of the top Cs in the league. Of that I have no doubt.

Monahan is good no doubt, but he's always left me feelings that he has more to give. Not the most physical guy (although he's getting better at it) and I wouldn't say he uses his size to his advantage a lot. Barkov leans on guys like Jagr does and is near impossible to remove from the puck. One thing I think Monahan will always be better at is scoring. Monahan has the best shot on the team since Iggy's and he'll score 40+ one day with the right linemates. As rare as Barkov's toolbox is, goal scoring centres are just as rare. No one is going to mistake Monahan for a playmaker. But there are few Cs in the league who have a lethal shot like him and the Flames desperately need snipers like him on the team.

It's a fun debate between Monahan and Barkov. Just the fact that have a Flames' player in the discussion for ''best of his draft class'' is pretty awesome. Hasn't happened with very many Flames' players over the years. Mackinnon I think still has the highest offensive potential. But he's really fallen behind. Those who place him 1st on their list are really banking on potential more so then proven game play, which Monahan and Barkov have proven in spades.

And nothing against Lindholm, but I'm extremely glad we didn't pick him. I don't want to imagine how the Flames would look with Lindholm swapped with Monahan.
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Old 03-29-2016, 10:46 AM   #54
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As a small aside, I think playmaking is an underdeveloped side of Monahan's game. I think he has great potential as a playmaker. He just doesn't necessarily need to utilize that side of his game with Johnny driving the offence.
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For me its

1. Barkov
2. Ristolainen
3. Monahan
4. Jones
5. MacKinnon
6. Lindholm
7. Wennberg
8. Nurse
9. Horvat
10. Domi
11. Nichushkin
12. Duclair
I don't see all of those players a lot so for some of them all I have to go on is stats. I don't know anything about Wennberg. I have seen quite a bit of Domi and Duclair and I'm impressed with them. How good are Lindholm, Wennberg and Nurse that you would still pick them over Domi and Duclair? Are you still factoring potential into your ranking?
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Old 03-29-2016, 11:16 AM   #56
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I always forget that Monahan is actually younger than Gaudreau, I know its only a year but still I have it in my head that Sean is the older one and Johnny is the younger one.

Anyways Monahan is on his way to eclipsing his 62 point mark he set last year which is really really impressive.

I wonder what Monahans ceiling is? I mean he is almost again at 30 goals and he is only 21 years old.

We are lucky to have Monahan on the Flames. I won't lie I was disappointed when he was benched with Gaudreau for the off ice stuff but I can only think back to when I was his age and all the shenanigans that I was up to, its really hard to blame the guy for enjoying his life when he is young!

Let's hope he can hit 30 goals again!
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Old 03-29-2016, 11:35 AM   #57
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Monahan is a great player.

It was no surprise that he turned into the big #1C that the Flames never had.

It was also no surprise that he was available at #6 the only pick ahead of him that wasn't consensus was Lindholm... who is not at all a bad pick.

Monahan has benefited scoring wise by:

1) team had Backlund/Stajan as top 2 centres when he got here. Mackinnon was back of Duchense/Ror his first 2 years.
2) Team plays offense first.. Both Barkov and Mickinnon have much better +/-
3) the flames have played a lot more exhibition games... games that are not important in the standings.

None of these guys are close to Toews.

Faceoffs are about work,focus, desire and effort. Toews lowest Faceoff % year was 53% when he was a rookie.
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Old 03-29-2016, 11:44 AM   #58
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Monahan is a great player.

It was no surprise that he turned into the big #1C that the Flames never had.

It was also no surprise that he was available at #6 the only pick ahead of him that wasn't consensus was Lindholm... who is not at all a bad pick.

Monahan has benefited scoring wise by:

1) team had Backlund/Stajan as top 2 centres when he got here. Mackinnon was back of Duchense/Ror his first 2 years.
2) Team plays offense first.. Both Barkov and Mickinnon have much better +/-
3) the flames have played a lot more exhibition games... games that are not important in the standings.

None of these guys are close to Toews.

Faceoffs are about work,focus, desire and effort. Toews lowest Faceoff % year was 53% when he was a rookie.
Darn, I guess Monahan simply doesn't have work, focus, desire or effort. Trade him for a 6th.
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Old 03-29-2016, 11:54 AM   #59
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the flames have played a lot more exhibition games... games that are not important in the standings.
the Panthers were the 2nd worst team in Barkovs rookie year and the Avs were nowhere close to playoffs last year either. When all is said and done this season, all of Monahan, Barkov and MacKinnon will have reached the playoffs once in their 3 NHL seasons.

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In terms of offense, we probably got the best forward of the class. Barkov will be the better defensive player and probably the better overall player, but if Monahan continues to develop, he won't be far off.

Here's the 9 forwards from that draft class who have played 100+ games.

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                    GP       G-A-P     G/G     P/G

Sean Monahan        231    80-75-155   0.35    0.67
Nathan MacKinnon    218    59-94-153   0.27    0.70
Aleksander Barkov   184    47-62-109   0.26    0.59
Elias Lindholm      215    36-61-97    0.17    0.45
Valeri Nichushkin   160    23-39-62    0.14    0.39
Andre Burakovsky    125    25-33-58    0.20    0.46
Bo Horvat           143    25-33-58    0.17    0.41
Alexander Wennberg  131    11-41-52    0.08    0.40
Curtis Lazar        138    12-23-35    0.09    0.25
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Lazar has been kind of underwhelming offensively but really if you paid attention to some scouts he's been exactly player he was billed as coming out of Edmonton. I was hoping the Flames could have packaged their 2nd and 3rd picks to move up to get Wennberg.
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