Jankowski/Gilmour signing watch. (Friedman: "Arm-wrestling" over bonuses)

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I see [Jankowski] more in the Agostino, Shore, Knight and Arnold class of prospects. I would gladly be wrong, but only time will tell.

You are wrong. Jankowski's skill level is more high-end.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

You are wrong. Jankowski's skill level is more high-end.

I wasn't comparing skill for skill. Skill alone doesn't make an NHL player.

[timbit]

Jankowski is in a similar position to what Nic Dowd (LA Kings) was 2 years ago, although one was a 7th round pick and one was a first, as well a two year age difference.
Both are centers ..have size, skate well and have a high hockey IQ....Dowd playing a little more aggressive game.
Dowd, as a senior, was a Hobey finalist finishing behind Gaudreau.
Neither being dynamic scorers in College....Dowd being a little over a half point a game in the American League...over last 2 seasons
Dowd , soon to be 26, will play the rest of the season and playoffs as a 3rd...4th line C with the Kings, a Stanley Cup Contender, after debuting and playing 12-14 minutes a game, the last 3 games.
I bet a lot of people would be happy if Jankowski could follow that trajectory.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Nm

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I don't think everyone would agree that Jankowski is in that same class. I see him more in the Agostino, Shore, Knight and Arnold class of prospects. I would gladly be wrong, but only time will tell.

Yeah you are most definitely wrong...

If he was in that class of prospects I think everyone would be more than happy with a 2nd round pick instead.

He's also 3+ years younger than those you listed.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I wasn't comparing skill for skill. Skill alone doesn't make an NHL player.

Yeah, and that's why Poirier, Shinkaruk, Kylington, Andersson, Hickey are not NHL players, they're prospects, like Jankowski.

And they're all in the same general class of prospects because they possess abilities that guys like Arnold and Knight never did.

[Hackey]

I thought he was suppose to be Nieuwendyk but I guess I'd take Dowd.

[Camronius]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

It does him some potential good. It gives him a chance to try and prove the doubters in the organization that he can play at this level and maybe even be notably effective. Prove he doesn't need an AHL year by having a strong showing. Bump himself up on the depth chart come training camp in September.

Agreed. In the past I've seen management use it as learning tool. A dangled carrot. This is the level you need to get to, now go train and work your butt off to get back in here. I like it.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by New Era

Really? Where have I over reacted? Calling out a poster for blaming the non-signing of a player on a guy that has zero influence on signings for the Calgary Flames? Yeah, what a terrible over reaction, to actually point out the stupidity of trying to blame someone for something with no control factors in the decision rather than the people that do.

Sorry, I should strive to follow your inciteful and intelligent posts, missing obvious sarcasm and having a hissy fit over an attempt at humor. Continue on. I learn so much from your brilliance.

I'm not the one who has a hissy fit on every thread he's entered in the last month.

You feel the need to constantly swear at posters when it's not called for.

[Fire]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

Would anyone be pissed if Shinkaruk walked without a return? Poirier? Kylington? Andersson? Hickey?

Janko's in that same class of player, not sure why anyone would be fine with getting nothing for him. A late 2nd is not a good return at all.

A 2nd rounder isn't nothing, so I'm not sure what you're talking about. If the Flames signed him and tried to immediately trade him, a 2nd rounder is about the best they could hope for him.

I would rather sign him, but a 2nd is not bad value for a guy that projects to be a possible Colborne. Colborne is finally able to put up some points as a 26 year old, but even his value is only about a 2nd rounder.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

It does him some potential good. It gives him a chance to try and prove the doubters in the organization that he can play at this level and maybe even be notably effective. Prove he doesn't need an AHL year by having a strong showing. Bump himself up on the depth chart come training camp in September.

exactly ... He might be as good a Baertschi was in the last 7 duster games of 2013!!

3 goals 9 pts +5

That would give the Flame flexibility to trade Monahan and/or Bennett or even Backlund over the summer.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

Yeah you are most definitely wrong...

If he was in that class of prospects I think everyone would be more than happy with a 2nd round pick instead.

He's also 3+ years younger than those you listed.

Only time will tell. I was a big defender of the pick at the time and was (and still am) more than happy to see this one through, but I still think he is further from the show than guys like Poirier, Shinkaruk and even Klimchuk.

It also doesn't really matter what most people think. One thing I have learned is that what "most people" think doesn't always align with what NHL GMs and scouts think.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Only time will tell. I was a big defender of the pick at the time and was (and still am) more than happy to see this one through, but I still think he is further from the show than guys like Poirier, Shinkaruk and even Klimchuk.

It also doesn't really matter what most people think. One thing I have learned is that what "most people" think doesn't always align with what NHL GMs and scouts think.

Even if that's the only thing you've learnt it should be enough.

The Flames sent staff to sign Jankowski in person. That means the GM think highly of him. This isn't typical and makes it obvious that the Flames won't be happy with a 2nd round pick for him.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

That would give the Flame flexibility to trade Monahan and/or Bennett ......

No...not in reality.

[MrMastodonFarm]

The Colborne comparison is a little misguided although straight across comparables are never easy or accurate IMO. Jankowski is a center and projects to be a center at the NHL level. Mark is also a smart player, Joe just isn't.

Maybe both project as third line players but one in a more important middle role.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

exactly ... He might be as good a Baertschi was in the last 7 duster games of 2013!!

3 goals 9 pts +5

That would give the Flame flexibility to trade Monahan and/or Bennett or even Backlund over the summer.

Yeah, that's the obvious response the team would have.

The benefit from giving him a couple of games is to experience the speed of the game and show him how much he has to work on. Normally young players have to wait for training camps to experience that. The Flames get to give the player that opportunity before a long break where players have ample time to train and address some of these concerns. A couple games right now would be a great learning experience.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by 868904

No all it says is that Treliving and the Flames think that it would be in the best interests of the PLAYER to spend time in the AHL this year as opposed to the NHL. What good does it do Jankowski to play in the NHL this year? He gets what? 1 or 2 games and with the way Hartley works, he'll play like 5 minutes. How is that going to help him? The better thing for his development is to go to the AHL and develop. As Conroy said, Jankowski's pace of play is too slow, so why throw him into the fastest league? Take the next obvious step, the AHL.

I'm sure that if the Flames had their way, Gillies would have gone to the AHL first last year too and played some games rather than sit in the press box in the NHL. He and his agent just made it clear from the start that they want him to burn the year. The reality is, burning a year is not good for players who need further development. It's great for a guy like Gaudreau or Vessey who will be impact guys in a short period, but for guys like Gillies and Jankowski, the AHL is the best option.

All throughout Treliving's reign, he has handle Jankowski properly and in the best interests of the player. If Jankowski feels "slighted" that he was sent back to College or that the Flames think he should go to the AHL, then that is a mark on his own character and is no fault of Treliving.

The reality is Jankowski is not ready for the NHL. He put up respectable numbers this year, but nothing that suggests he's ready to step into the NHL. He barely cleared a ppg, if not for a late season 4 point game in a blowout.

No one is saying that Jankowski is 'ready' for the NHL. It's just the way things are done now.

Hanowski got 5 games

Agostino got 8 games

Arnold got a game.

Were any of those guys more ready or more deserving?

I agree with the assessment that, if Treliving holds firm, it is because he is happy with the compensation.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

Even if that's the only thing you've learnt it should be enough.

The Flames sent staff to sign Jankowski in person. That means the GM think highly of him. This isn't typical and makes it obvious that the Flames won't be happy with a 2nd round pick for him.

The teams ALWAYS send staff to sign a guy from College who could be a UFA.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

The Colborne comparison is a little misguided although straight across comparables are never easy or accurate IMO. Jankowski is a center and projects to be a center at the NHL level. Mark is also a smart player, Joe just isn't.

Maybe both project as third line players but one in a more important middle role.

If Jankowski enters the AHL and is underwhelming up until the point where he's no longer waiver exempt, he can be compared to Colborne.

Until then the comparison is quite silly, I agree.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

Would anyone be pissed if Shinkaruk walked without a return? Poirier? Kylington? Andersson? Hickey?

Janko's in that same class of player, not sure why anyone would be fine with getting nothing for him. A late 2nd is not a good return at all.

I think the most you'd get for any of those guys is a 2nd, more likely a 3rd/4th/similar prospect.

Every team has lots of these types of prospects. Shinkaruk only fetched Granlund who, IMO, is not worth a 2nd.