Jankowski/Gilmour signing watch. (Friedman: "Arm-wrestling" over bonuses)

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by New Era

I will be shocked if Jankowski isn't welcomes into the Flame fold by lunch Monday.

Pretty much. Give him a coupe days to decompress from College. His team just eliminated, he was so sick he couldn't play, had to be heart breaking. Take some time to come down from that, then sign ready to move onto the Flames.

[Strange Brew]

I am sure Flames want him to sign but a 2nd round pick is likely not far from his value today.

That is no reflection on whether he makes it, just his likely value. If Flames had to shop Poirier right now, I suspect a 2nd is what they'd be looking at.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Funkhouser

From my understanding, in order to accrue a professional season he needs to play 10 or more games, so even though he will burn a contract year, the summer of 2018 he will be finishing his second pro season and still be exempt.

Same thing applies to Connor, unless they don't sign him by next summer.

Because he's over 20, Jankowski only requires one game played to accrue a professional season.

Connor is either 18 or 19 (depending on what date his age is counted on for determining professional status), so he requires 11 games played for this to count as a pro season (which he can't reach because the Jets only have 7 games remaining).

[cannon7]

Jankowski is worth more than a second round pick for this team. One of the most complete players coming out of the NCAA who is still only 21 years old is worth more than a pick that will be another 4-5 years away from potentially making the NHL. Not sure why posters don't see this, Jankowski is our top forward prospect.

[JJ1532]

I know everyone is focused on Jankowski, but whats the crack with Gilmour? And Hickey for that matter? Are those 2 going to get ELCs come the summer? Will we look to get them into the system?

[sureLoss]

Hickey is likely going back for his Junior season.

Flames have probably also offered Gilmour a contract.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by JJ1532

I know everyone is focused on Jankowski, but whats the crack with Gilmour? And Hickey for that matter? Are those 2 going to get ELCs come the summer? Will we look to get them into the system?

I hope Gilmour gets an offer this summer, he does have less leverage IMO and is a defenseman so I think he signs an ATO to play in Stockton and a contract beginning next season. I would really like Gilmour in the fold, I think he is an underrated prospect.

Hickey I think should spend another year at BU, we already have potentially 3 rookie defensemen heading to Stockton.

[Mass_nerder]

I would hope they sign Gilmore, but I think Hickey can play at BU for two more years, so they might want him to stay at college.

[getbak]

Gilmour and Tom Parisi have both been solid, reliable defencemen for the last four years at Providence. Gilmour had slightly better offensive numbers than Parisi.

Parisi was just signed by the Habs to an ELC that kicks in next season, and he'll play out the rest of the year on an ATO in St John's.


I expect the Flames will offer the same deal to Gilmour.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

The purpose of NHLe is to project the numbers of points a player could expect next year.

No. That's the definition of NHLe. It can be used more broadly. For example, one might look for players with similar NHLes for a given year (i.e. draft, draft+1, draft+2) and see how their careers have turned out.

[PugnaciousIntern]

Originally Posted by SebC

No. That's the definition of NHLe. It can be used more broadly. For example, one might look for players with similar NHLes for a given year (i.e. draft, draft+1, draft+2) and see how their careers have turned out.

Not quite the 'definition', but close. It's just using historical data and applying it to players. Nothing about projections in the definition. I'd agree that projection is its primary use (although it can be used for other reasons as you explained).

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Jankowski is worth more than a second round pick for this team. One of the most complete players coming out of the NCAA who is still only 21 years old is worth more than a pick that will be another 4-5 years away from potentially making the NHL. Not sure why posters don't see this, Jankowski is our top forward prospect.

I'm not sure I've read anyone's post suggesting Flames would be better off not signing him. Where are you getting this idea?

I do think his value right now is about a 2nd round pick, which is very different.

[Hackey]

Can someone give a quick run through on whats going on with this situation? Someone went to meet him? He's still deciding? Any hints at likely outcome? Thank you in advance.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Can someone give a quick run through on whats going on with this situation? Someone went to meet him? He's still deciding? Any hints at likely outcome? Thank you in advance.

Offer has been made, decision should be made by tomorrow.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Another thing to consider in regards to signing Hickey is that he or other rookies can go down to the ECHL team which the Flames also control. I think Hickey is physically ready for the ECHL and probably doesn't see himself finishing school anyways. Didn't look out of place on the World Junior team and by all means has a solid defensive game with his "Brodie-like mobility".

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Can someone give a quick run through on whats going on with this situation? Someone went to meet him? He's still deciding? Any hints at likely outcome? Thank you in advance.

From the sounds of it Pascall lead the group that presented him a contract yesterday. Jankowski will make his decision today or tomorrow. All signs point to him signing with the Flames according to any local articles that have been written.

[Matty81]

Unless he is insisting on going to one team a la Erixon I'm sure they'll be able to get something a better than 51st pick for him... it's not exactly a deep year for NCAA free agents and teams weak on centre depth in the pipeline would probably see a guy like this ready to step into their system and begin learning, with 4 years of development time behind him, as way more valuable than a 30-40th pick which historically has really low odds of panning out.

If he gets traded and the other team doesn't sign him, does that compensation pick disappear? Or does the other team get it?

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Matty81

Unless he is insisting on going to one team a la Erixon I'm sure they'll be able to get something a better than 51st pick for him... it's not exactly a deep year for NCAA free agents and teams weak on centre depth in the pipeline would probably see a guy like this ready to step into their system and begin learning, with 4 years of development time behind him, as way more valuable than a 30-40th pick which historically has really low odds of panning out.

If he gets traded and the other team doesn't sign him, does that compensation pick disappear? Or does the other team get it?

The compensation pick transfers to the other team.

There is really no incentive for a team to trade for him, unless they want to dress him right away and put him in the lineup to help in the playoffs (which by all accounts he is not ready for).

The only reason the Rangers traded for Erixon is that if he wasn't signed before June 1st, he would go back to draft. Then the Rangers would have to pray and hope another team wouldn't draft him before they got an opportunity to.

Jankowski becomes an UFA. If there is only 1 team he wants to go to, all they have to do is wait and get him for free on August 15.

I suppose you could make an argument that someone may want to trade for his rights, but historically no one gives up a 2nd round pick+ for the rights to a pending UFA.

[Matty81]

I agree if he has his mind made up that he is going to sign with one specific team there's no point in a trade. But if it's still wide open and say, he wants to go to a team with less depth up the middle, I see lots of incentive to make that trade.

Take a team like Carolina for example they have terrible centre depth in the NHL and no blue chip centre prospects. Let's say they aren't Jankowski's only choice, but are a team he'd consider going to.

Their 2nd rounder would be 41st today. They flip it to Calgary for a 5 month negiotiating window, which they have a good chance of being successful during... and if they fail, they get the 51st overall pick. It's not a huge gamble with lots of upside.

But like I said, it only works if he's not Tim Erixon and specifically wants to sign for a team like the Leafs close to where he's from or something.

I think it's moot anyway and he'll sign. But I am starting to wonder what he's waiting for... or maybe he's still sick.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Matty81

I agree if he has his mind made up that he is going to sign with one specific team there's no point in a trade. But if it's still wide open and say, he wants to go to a team with less depth up the middle, I see lots of incentive to make that trade.

Take a team like Carolina for example they have terrible centre depth in the NHL and no blue chip centre prospects. Let's say they aren't Jankowski's only choice, but are a team he'd consider going to.

Their 2nd rounder would be 41st today. They flip it to Calgary for a 5 month negiotiating window, which they have a good chance of being successful during... and if they fail, they get the 51st overall pick. It's not a huge gamble with lots of upside.

But like I said, it only works if he's not Tim Erixon and specifically wants to sign for a team like the Leafs close to where he's from or something.

I think it's moot anyway and he'll sign. But I am starting to wonder what he's waiting for... or maybe he's still sick.

Would Carolina risk losing the 41st overall pick in 2016 for the 51st OA pick in 2017? Cause that is the actuality of the compensation pick. They would lose a year of prospect development time, not only dropping down 10 spots.

Chicago wasn't able to trade the rights of Hayes for anything better than the compensation pick and there were multiple teams rumored he was considering.

The thing is once a player decides to wait it out, they will most likely just wait until all offers are in front of them.