Jankowski/Gilmour signing watch. (Friedman: "Arm-wrestling" over bonuses)

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Flamescuprun2018

I presume Mark was injured this past week limiting his icetime in recent overtime games.

It has already been confirmed that Jankowski was injured last night. He missed most of the 1st OT, then was announced wouldn't be returning to the game for the 2nd. Lambert is a hack.

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

How does it work? Can we sign him to a contract that doesn't start until next year. Is Janko really at the point in his development that we would burn a year of him as a pro at this point, or is it something we will likely have to do to ensure we can sign him? Just seems strange to burn a year on a player unless we think he's going to be ready to play NHL level next year?

Yes they can sign him to a contract that starts next season, but so can every other team on August 15. He has the leverage that other teams will sign him.

The Flames have set a precedent in burning years off ELCs off college prospects. Gaudreau, Arnold, Agostino, Hanowski, Gilies, Van Brabant all have had their 1st year of their ELCs burned in the past 3 years.

Burning a year off is not necessarily a bad thing either even for marginal prospects. Ends their contract sooner and enables the organization to move on if they want to and frees up a contract spot for someone else.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

How does it work? Can we sign him to a contract that doesn't start until next year. Is Janko really at the point in his development that we would burn a year of him as a pro at this point, or is it something we will likely have to do to ensure we can sign him? Just seems strange to burn a year on a player unless we think he's going to be ready to play NHL level next year?

We could get him to sign a professional contract that starts accruing next season, and sign a tryout to get some professional games in. I believe that's what we did to Kenny Morrison. It saves one year of ELC. Whereas if we signed him to his ELC right away and had him play a game, it'll burn 1 year off.

For what it's worth though I think we take the Johnny route and give him an NHL game or two.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Flamescuprun2018

Source: http://www.matchsticksandgasoline.co...mark-jankowski

Interesting perspective not to sign Jankowski.

The 4 year progression of Jankowski would suggest otherwise especially considering his young age as a 4 year college player. His birthdate made him eligible for the 2011 draft by mere days (Sept 15th was the cutoff). (DOB: September 13, 1994)


I presume Mark was injured this past week limiting his icetime in recent overtime games.

If Ryan Lambert is your eye test, you're in trouble.

[OzSome]

Originally Posted by Flamescuprun2018

Source: http://www.matchsticksandgasoline.co...mark-jankowski

Interesting perspective not to sign Jankowski.

The 4 year progression of Jankowski would suggest otherwise especially considering his young age as a 4 year college player. His birthdate made him eligible for the 2011 draft by mere days (Sept 15th was the cutoff). (DOB: September 13, 1994)


I presume Mark was injured this past week limiting his icetime in recent overtime games.

Yep and Gaudreau is way too small to play in the NHL. My point is this guy is so negative and that is because Jankowski did not a point per game until his senior year doesn't make him a bust and Flames shouldn't sign him. He even mentioned he is not a top 6 forwards. Duh, i think the Flames know that. He is going to be a two-way centreman who is slotted for 3rd or 4th line. I think it is a bonus if he can play as a 4th line centre and his line can contribute on both sides of the ice. Maybe if he plays in the NHL next season he can play alongside an energy and also a two-way player Garnet Hathaway. I still think the Flames will make him play his first pro season in Stockton next season.

[Flamescuprun2018]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

If Ryan Lambert is your eye test, you're in trouble.

Will always consider contrarian perspectives.

But agree, illogical to not sign him. Little to lose with a 2 year ELC.

Looked great in summer development camp. 200 foot player that should become a 3C or 4C worst case scenario.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Flamescuprun2018

Source: http://www.matchsticksandgasoline.co...mark-jankowski

Interesting perspective not to sign Jankowski.

The 4 year progression of Jankowski would suggest otherwise especially considering his young age as a 4 year college player. His birthdate made him eligible for the 2011 draft by mere days (Sept 15th was the cutoff). (DOB: September 13, 1994)


I presume Mark was injured this past week limiting his icetime in recent overtime games.

Brutal article. Basically his only point was NHLe.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by OzSome

Yep and Gaudreau is way too small to play in the NHL. My point is this guy is so negative and that is because Jankowski did not a point per game until his senior year doesn't make him a bust and Flames shouldn't sign him. He even mentioned he is not a top 6 forwards. Duh, i think the Flames know that. He is going to be a two-way centreman who is slotted for 3rd or 4th line. I think it is a bonus if he can play as a 4th line centre and his line can contribute on both sides of the ice. Maybe if he plays in the NHL next season he can play alongside an energy and also a two-way player Garnet Hathaway. I still think the Flames will make him play his first pro season in Stockton next season.

Yet he suggests letting him walk in order to acquire a 51st overall pick which has less than a 10% chance of becoming a top 6 forward (4 or 5 years form now).

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Flamescuprun2018

Source: http://www.matchsticksandgasoline.co...mark-jankowski

Interesting perspective not to sign Jankowski.

The 4 year progression of Jankowski would suggest otherwise especially considering his young age as a 4 year college player. His birthdate made him eligible for the 2011 draft by mere days (Sept 15th was the cutoff). (DOB: September 13, 1994)


I presume Mark was injured this past week limiting his icetime in recent overtime games.

An interesting perspective?

If Mark Jankowski couldn't outperform Joe Colborne in college, his fate is written.

combine that bit of brilliance with

Lambert is widely renowned for his snark and his negativity, but he sees a whole lot of Jankowski. He's tracked him since he joined Providence. There are very few who will tell you otherwise (Ryan just tells it the best).

The only interesting is that someone so stupid actually convinced someone to publish this drivel and this moron actually believes Lambert has watched a hockey game in his life let alone closely followed a prospect.

[Cheerio]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

The only interesting is that someone so stupid actually convinced someone to publish this drivel and this moron actually believes Lambert has watched a hockey game in his life let alone closely followed a prospect.

Hate his opinions all you want but Ryan Lambert has watched and tracked more college hockey games than anyone on this board. He has seen quite a bit of Providence due to him living in Boston and most of Hockey East playing around Boston

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Cheerio

Hate his opinions all you want but Ryan Lambert has watched and tracked more college hockey games than anyone on this board. He has seen quite a bit of Providence due to him living in Boston and most of Hockey East playing around Boston

Have you read anything by Lambert? There is nothing that can be said to convince me that idiot does anything but scour stat sheets.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Cheerio

Hate his opinions all you want but Ryan Lambert has watched and tracked more college hockey games than anyone on this board. He has seen quite a bit of Providence due to him living in Boston and most of Hockey East playing around Boston

Then he shouldn't say something like this, which isn't an opinion, it's just wrong.

coaches don't trust him in high-leverage situations

If Ryan Lambert had watched more than just last nights game he would know that's totally incorrect. It's nice that he's watched more College games than anyone here but it still doesn't make him anything more than a complete moron.

Craig MacTavish has coached and General Managed more then anyone here too, he's still bad at it.

[Incogneto]

Did he mention in that article that we only get the 51st pick if we OFFER him a contract, and he declines it? if no contract is offered, no pick is given.

[Enoch Root]

Yup, if Lambert thinks the coach doesn't trust Jankowski in key situations, then he either never watches Providence, or he has absolutely no idea what he's looking at.

Never mind that Leaman explicitly states over and over that Jankowski is his go-to guy in most key situations, but anyone who watches a few games would see that for themselves quite quickly.

Either Lambert is trolling (as usual), or he has only watched them recently. With Jankowski's injury, he hardly played in the last couple games.

[Caged Great]

Only have one word for that article.

Idiotic.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by Cheerio

Hate his opinions all you want but Ryan Lambert has watched and tracked more college hockey games than anyone on this board. He has seen quite a bit of Providence due to him living in Boston and most of Hockey East playing around Boston

Luckily, the thread is playing out...

soon we'll all be able to see whether Jankowski was worth the slot he was picked in...

for the sake of the flames, i hope he pans out...

[saillias]

On Jankowskis injury, anyone know what's up? He looked pretty uninspired yesterday, didn't know he was playing hurt

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by saillias

On Jankowskis injury, anyone know what's up? He looked pretty uninspired yesterday, didn't know he was playing hurt

he seemed slower and more stiff than usual, maybe an abdominal or groin injury?

[druetetective]

Instead, we'll turn to NHLe, a stat I particularly favour. Based on historical trends, most major leagues in the world (especially those that send players into the NHL) are set to the NHL's standard. For example, the NHLe translation factor for the KHL is 0.83, basically saying that a point scored in the KHL is 83% easier than a point scored in the NHL.

Is that really how NHLE works?
I'm one of Jankowski's bigger critics, and that article was trash.

[Vinny01]

I think he gets signed here today or tomorrow. He can play guaranteed NHL games and put some money in his pocket. Unless there has been some tampering and Weisbroad has reached out and promised him a shot with the Sedins next year I don't think there is anything to worry about

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Flamescuprun2018

Source: http://www.matchsticksandgasoline.co...mark-jankowski

Matchsticks & Gasoline has hired ricardodw?