a topless protester stormed the podium while the crown was responding to the decision. She was handcuffed by Ghomeshi and led into a police cruiser.
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The question for public consumption isn't guilty or innocent.
It's guilty or not guilty.
Gomeshi can be not guilty of the crime. But there is no way he's able to make a claim to be innocent in this.
Exactly. He's likely guilty of at least something and probably not all the girls that testified against him were sexually assaulted by him but I'd bet my house he isn't innocent in all this.
Honestly think that trailer park girl actor was the downfall in the entire case.
For all of you upset Ghomeshi got off (pun!), the real trial is yet to begin, and I expect there will be real evidence and Ghomeshi is much more likely to be convicted there.
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The "men being falsely accused of rape is a huge problem we must stop as a society" crowd is out in full force on the internet today. Just very sad.
Falsely accusing anyone of anything is terrible and every measure should be taken with to stop it. The other problem is that those who are falsely accused often have no real recourse and especially in sexual assault cases, thier life is destroyed.
Is shocking to think that you feel wanting to stop false allegations is something to be sad about.
For all of you upset Ghomeshi got off (pun!), the real trial is yet to begin, and I expect there will be real evidence and Ghomeshi is much more likely to be convicted there.
Of course it will. We all know this maggot is guilty, but he walks. Not exactly a confidence-booster.
You know, I don't like the idea of "victim blaming" but in this case: don't lie to the people trying to help you.
He isn't walking out of that court house because of some failure of justice. He's walking free because the three women who were the complainants lied or omitted things from the people there to see this through on their behalf.
trauma survivors memories are picked apart for banal inconsistencies like hair extensions or not. They are judged as the rational mind of someone who hasn't been assaulted
THe discussion is being framed by circles on social media about the problem being false accusations and women being liars, out for a cash grab etc.
I don't think it's that hard to understand, but hey if you don't believe them, then I guess my position won't make sense. It's an emotional issue for me
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The thing is, my posts, thoughts and insights may be my opinions but they're also quite factual.
He's back in trial in June, on one count of sexual assault. The issues/evidence will be much different compared to the group of 3 that came forward 10 years after the fact. That is why the Crown kept this charge separate from the 5 charges in the case decided today.
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What is sad about it, exactly? False accusations, whether about rape or otherwise, is a problem.
I'm still reading the decision but paragraphs 112 to 118 are very disturbing. It demonstrates witness S.R. also deliberately lied under oath.
Check out the work of the innocence project. There are many people behind bars that shouldn't be.
Exactly, I believe these women were under the impression that this was a slam dunk case given the media and public sentiment was that he was already guilty. They got sloppy, realized this wasn't such an open and shut case, and got caught in their own lies and embellishments. Again, not saying what they complained of wasn't completely fabricated, but the nature, consent, degree, can't be proven enough to convict, and given their credibility is toast, whatever they said doesn't hold much weight.
trauma survivors memories are picked apart for banal inconsistencies like hair extensions or not. They are judged as the rational mind of someone who hasn't been assaulted
THe discussion is being framed by circles on social media about the problem being false accusations and women being liars, out for a cash grab etc.
I don't think it's that hard to understand, but hey if you don't believe them, then I guess my position won't make sense. It's an emotional issue for me
Banal details?? Did you read the judgement at all? The justice addressed these. He clearly pointed out how minor details being mixed up or forgotten is to be expected this far gone, but it was the degree these were lied about, mixed up, and made central to the case was the problem. The one complainant remembered and told of very minute details, but then willingly omitted about later sexual encounters with Jian.
Similar with the complainant making the VW bug central to how Jain projected himself, when infact, he didn't even own the car at the time.
Read the judgement, it makes a lot of this clear.
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trauma survivors memories are picked apart for banal inconsistencies like hair extensions or not. They are judged as the rational mind of someone who hasn't been assaulted
THe discussion is being framed by circles on social media about the problem being false accusations and women being liars, out for a cash grab etc.
I don't think it's that hard to understand, but hey if you don't believe them, then I guess my position won't make sense. It's an emotional issue for me
Well, I assumed you were talking about this thread. Why would I know what social media is doing?
Banal details?? Did you read the judgement at all? The justice addressed these. He clearly pointed out how minor details being mixed up or forgotten is to be expected this far gone, but it was the degree these were lied about, mixed up, and made central to the case was the problem. The one complainant remembered and told of very minute details, but then willingly omitted about later sexual encounters with Jian.
Similar with the complainant making the VW bug central to how Jain projected himself, when infact, he didn't even own the car at the time.
Read the judgement, it makes a lot of this clear.
It's also the fact they would remember small details (the way he folded his shirts, his demeanor at the time, etc..) but not remember being in contact or even having sexual encounters with him after the alleged assaults.
Again, no one has a problem with them doing those things. Seeing him afterwards doesn't mean he didn't assault them. But withholding that information calls into question everything they said. So when the case rests purely on their testimony, and you can't trust it, there really is no other option than to acquit.
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I don't think it's that hard to understand, but hey if you don't believe them, then I guess my position won't make sense. It's an emotional issue for me
It's not about not whether we believe them or not. It's about what can be considered in the eyes of the court. The issues with their testimonies forces the court to acquit, even if the judge believes the assault took place, he can't believe the witness testimonies, and therefore he has to rule not guilty.
Sadly, I think the nuances and particulars of the ruling will be ignored by a lot of people, and all they'll take away from this is that women accused a man of sexual assault, there was a very public trial, and the man was acquitted.
On a more positive note, hopefully this will educate Canadians about how our criminal justice system works. As the judge said in his ruling, navigating your testimony to the police and courts is actually pretty straightforward - tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. That doesn't mean you will always get satisfaction in the courts, but it does mean you won't sabotage your own case.
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