2015/2016 Trade Speculation and Rumors v2

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Lucic and Reimer should absolutely be our targets on July 1st.

Reimer - no cost to us outside of cap-space, which is very important with the looming expansion draft. In summer 2017, we can expose Reimer and protect Gillies. If we trade for a goalie, we'll have sunk assets into a player that we may then have to either expose to the expansion draft, or force us to expose Gillies.

Lucic - he's absolutely what we need. His size, skill and aggression fit what we need perfectly.

Flames do not have $10M it will likely cost to bring those guys in. I think Lucic wants to stay in LA but if he hits the market there will be 3 Western Canadian teams looking to sign him. I think Benning will be the dumb one to offer 6-7 year term.

Reimer is certainly an option and getting him for cap space is a plus but I don't think he will be the best goalie on the market. With 3 picks in the top 60 after our lotto pick I think the flames add a player via trade as the expansion draft could open up some options for players available.


I really hope Treliving is somehow some way able to shed as many of the Wideman, Raymond, Stajan, Smid, Bollig, Engellend contracts as he can so this team can address their needs to get back in the playoffs next year.

Having 2 centers, 3 Dmen, and a dynamic winger to build around is a fantastic core but bad contracts really hinder the ability to push this team forward next year

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Unless you can get Lucic to play RW which I don't think he has ever done he is not what we need as much as the same thing on RW. Not sure I am ok with paying a 2nd line LW 7M when we also have to ink Monny and Johnny.

He'd be a 1st liner on the 2nd line. Just cause you have a 1st line caliber player on your 2nd line doesn't suddenly make him a 2nd liner or make his contract suddenly unpalatable. That logic doesn't really make sense.

PIT must be idiots to have a 2nd line centre making what, 8.7 million? Chicago must be the biggest dolts of all time paying 10 million to a 2nd liner!

In all seriousness we'll never be a threat until Bennett's line is consistently dangerous. He needs a 1st line winger arguably much, much more than Johnny and Mony do. Having Lucic on Bennett's line would be amazeballs!

[Roof-Daddy]

I wouldn't mind Perron, he could probably be had for roughly a Frolik type contract, he's a pest, and he usually compliments elite players well. Plus he's a right hand shot.

Ideally you would hope one of Poirier or Shinkaruk would make the NHL next year and break out, or at least someone from within rather than signing a bunch of UFA's to fill the forward core.

Gaudreau - Monahan - Perron
M Lucic - Bennett - Laine ()
Colborne - Backlund - Frolik
Ferland/Bouma - Grant/Hamilton - Hathaway/Jooris

Can be done if you clear out some overpaid depth players, starting with Stajan.

[Demetric]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Lucic and Reimer should absolutely be our targets on July 1st.

Reimer - no cost to us outside of cap-space, which is very important with the looming expansion draft. In summer 2017, we can expose Reimer and protect Gillies. If we trade for a goalie, we'll have sunk assets into a player that we may then have to either expose to the expansion draft, or force us to expose Gillies.

Lucic - he's absolutely what we need. His size, skill and aggression fit what we need perfectly.

at least we will know before this draft all the details of the expansion draft if it were to happen next year and can plan accordingly.

I also heard, at least think I did, that the definition of a year of pro hockey consitited 10 games played in said league (NHL or AHL) which would mean Gillies would still be on year one. But until we get all the details, no one know 100%.

[Toonage]

If they buyout guys like Wideman & Raymond and either buyout Smid or see cap relief due to LTIR they have space to give a guy like Perron $3.5 and possibly trade for Andersen (who I think makes under $2 next year?). They also have a little wiggle room to pay guys like Colborne or Jooris if they want. Going with the Perron idea, how does this look:

Gaudreau-Monahan-Perron
1RD-Bennett-Colborne
Ferland-Backlund-Frolik
Bouma-Stajan-Hathaway
- Bollig
- F. Hamilton (?)

Giordano-Brodie
Wotherspoon-D.Hamilton
Jokipakka-Nakladal
- Engelland

Andersen(?) - Ortio

This comes in around $70-$72 million (I think) including buyouts, extensions and RFA signings.

Thoughts?

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

He'd be a 1st liner on the 2nd line. Just cause you have a 1st line caliber player on your 2nd line doesn't suddenly make him a 2nd liner or make his contract suddenly unpalatable. That logic doesn't really make sense.

PIT must be idiots to have a 2nd line centre making what, 8.7 million? Chicago must be the biggest dolts of all time paying 10 million to a 2nd liner!

In all seriousness we'll never be a threat until Bennett's line is consistently dangerous. He needs a 1st line winger arguably much, much more than Johnny and Mony do. Having Lucic on Bennett's line would be amazeballs!

That is a good point. I was just thinking if we had a RW with size that could also deter guys from taking liberties on Johnny that would be ideal.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Not sure why on earth they'd buyout Wideman instead of trading him. Some team out there is going to need a veteran RHD who can play the power play this summer. Just because he's redundant (due to Hamilton/Nakladal) and thus overpaid on our team, in our defence set up doesn't mean his salary wouldn't fit in the top four of another team.

Wideman can be moved, teams inquired about his availability at the trade deadline, he's moveable for sure.

[Demetric]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I wouldn't mind Perron, he could probably be had for roughly a Frolik type contract, he's a pest, and he usually compliments elite players well. Plus he's a right hand shot.

Ideally you would hope one of Poirier or Shinkaruk would make the NHL next year and break out, or at least someone from within rather than signing a bunch of UFA's to fill the forward core.

Gaudreau - Monahan - Perron
M Lucic - Bennett - Laine ()
Colborne - Backlund - Frolik
Ferland/Bouma - Grant/Hamilton - Hathaway/Jooris

Can be done if you clear out some overpaid depth players, starting with Stajan.

If all things went according to plan something like this would be awesome

Gaudreau - Monahan - Perron
Shinkaruk - Bennett - Poirier
Colborne - Backlund - Frolik
Ferland/Bouma - Grant/Hamilton - Hathaway/Jooris

Some fine development on our prospects (crosses fingers) required as well as fine wizardry to move on from the Raymonds, Stajans and Bolligs (crosses toes).

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Toonage

If they buyout guys like Wideman & Raymond and either buyout Smid or see cap relief due to LTIR they have space to give a guy like Perron $3.5 and possibly trade for Andersen (who I think makes under $2 next year?). They also have a little wiggle room to pay guys like Colborne or Jooris if they want. Going with the Perron idea, how does this look:

Gaudreau-Monahan-Perron
1RD-Bennett-Colborne
Ferland-Backlund-Frolik
Bouma-Stajan-Hathaway
- Bollig
- F. Hamilton (?)

Giordano-Brodie
Wotherspoon-D.Hamilton
Jokipakka-Nakladal
- Engelland

Andersen(?) - Ortio

This comes in around $70-$72 million (I think) including buyouts, extensions and RFA signings.

Thoughts?

Andersen is a RFA who is going to want to get paid way more than 2M per. Combine that with the fact we would have to give up assets to a division rival which ups the cost and I would rather go in a different direction for a goalie.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Andersen is a RFA who is going to want to get paid way more than 2M per. Combine that with the fact we would have to give up assets to a division rival which ups the cost and I would rather go in a different direction for a goalie.

Thanks, wasn't sure of his status and thought he had 1 year left.

So really then, take the $1.5 I had for him and add $2 more to it and thats the reasonable price they could expect to pay for a goalie with those other factors in place.

I guess I just want to try and paint a picture of what the team may be looking at this off season money wise.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

That is a good point. I was just thinking if we had a RW with size that could also deter guys from taking liberties on Johnny that would be ideal.

Agreed. Ideally Johnny's line could use a big, skilled power forward who can protect him. Not sure that guy is out there in UFA. I still think there is an outside chance that Ferly could develop into that but it's far from being a sure thing

But Bennett could use big, skilled forwards too. There's a lot of attractive options this summer. Hopefully Treliving is able to work some cap magic around the draft to free up some salary and take a big run at an impact veteran UFA. I really think that along with solving the goaltending would help us take a big step forward next year.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

I don't think we can pencil in either of Shinkaruk or Poirier at this point let alone both. I mean they'll compete for jobs in the fall but counting on them making it would be risky. I think it more likely they come up partway through next season as injury replacements and may be full time NHLers by the end of next season if they continue to develop.

[Poe969]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I wouldn't mind Perron, he could probably be had for roughly a Frolik type contract, he's a pest, and he usually compliments elite players well. Plus he's a right hand shot.

Ideally you would hope one of Poirier or Shinkaruk would make the NHL next year and break out, or at least someone from within rather than signing a bunch of UFA's to fill the forward core.

Gaudreau - Monahan - Perron
M Lucic - Bennett - Laine ()
Colborne - Backlund - Frolik
Ferland/Bouma - Grant/Hamilton - Hathaway/Jooris

Can be done if you clear out some overpaid depth players, starting with Stajan.

Even if the Flames don't get a top pick who can play in the league next year, there are options for the 2nd line RW like Shinkurak or another prospect that comes up.

[Bourque's Twin]

Playing against a Flames team that has Lucic, Ferland, Bouma and Engelland in the lineup won't be fun. In order to compete with LA, SJ, and ANA, that's what the Flames need.

[drewtastic]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I love unstable.

In that case, what are your thoughts on Dean Ambrose?

#LunaticFringe

[druetetective]

I'm just hoping for 1 top 6 guy and 1 quality depth forward ala Colborne to come from our prospect group we have now.

Same thing on defence. 1 2nd pairing guy and one quality depth defencemen. Even that might be asking a lot but I don't think it's too unrealistic.

I was watching the game yesterday with some Leaf fans, you can tell they have never experienced a rebuild/building from within.

I said Colborne would have fit in good on their team as a veteran presence/ very solid 3rdliner for the future. They said they already have 6-10 3rd liners in their prospect pool. They think 80% of their prospects will be NHL players lol.

[DJones]

Originally Posted by Demetric

If all things went according to plan something like this would be awesome

Gaudreau - Monahan - Perron
Shinkaruk - Bennett - Poirier
Colborne - Backlund - Frolik
Ferland/Bouma - Grant/Hamilton - Hathaway/Jooris

Some fine development on our prospects (crosses fingers) required as well as fine wizardry to move on from the Raymonds, Stajans and Bolligs (crosses toes).

Bit optimistic with both Shrinkaruk and Poirier slotted into the 2nd line. Otherwise I agree that would be a great line up. Still would love to somehow pry Hayes away from NYR instead of Perron. They seem down on him.

[Jason14h]

Gaudreau - Monahan - Perron
Shinkaruk - Bennett - Poirier
Colborne - Backlund - Frolik
Ferland/Bouma - Grant/Hamilton - Hathaway/Jooris

Not trying to sound overly negative but that would be the worst 2nd line in the NHL is all likelihood!

We are really hoping 2 C type prospects are going to step in with a 2nd year player as our 2nd line...

It would probably be a terrible third line too!

[Fire]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Not sure why on earth they'd buyout Wideman instead of trading him. Some team out there is going to need a veteran RHD who can play the power play this summer. Just because he's redundant (due to Hamilton/Nakladal) and thus overpaid on our team, in our defence set up doesn't mean his salary wouldn't fit in the top four of another team.

Wideman can be moved, teams inquired about his availability at the trade deadline, he's moveable for sure.

He can be moved, but can he be moved without retaining salary or getting a big contract back? I doubt it. I don't see teams trading for Wideman in the off-season for just a draft pick/prospect and taking all of that salary. Trade deadline sure, but not in the off-season.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Fire

He can be moved, but can he be moved without retaining salary or getting a big contract back? I doubt it. I don't see teams trading for Wideman in the off-season for just a draft pick/prospect and taking all of that salary. Trade deadline sure, but not in the off-season.

I don't doubt it. I think we as fans underrate how much proven top 4 defensemen are worth, both in salary and in trade value. Where we look at Wideman's salary and see an albatross, some other GM's are going to see market value. Around 5 million is what defensemen of Wideman's resume and experience go for. In the summer a team will have room for his salary.

Garrison was moved with a similar contract. As was Carle. Luke Schenn ppl thought was an albatross and he moved. Fans underrate the value of dmen overall.