The New American Politics thread

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by New Era

You mean, even when the Klan and the White Power movements have come out and endorsed and financially supported a candidate, and said candidate has not gone out of his/her way to distance themselves from these groups? Diasgree. You embrace that stuff you deserve to have it used against you. Imagery in politics is very powerful, both positively and negatively. When dealing with extremists you need to battle them with extreme messaging campaigns. If anyone is serious about knocking Trump off his pedestal and slowing his momentum, this is the type of imagery that needs to be used. A face needs to be applied to his support that makes it repugnant for the vast majority of people to accept.

yes, it should have been done then.

But to suggest protesters need to dress up as Klan members is utterly ridiculous.

The effect of the stunt isn't working against Trump - it's working against the protesters who are so clueless when it comes to context you dismiss everything.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by JonDuke

Did I miss something? Looks like the girl was the one wearing a hood and the guy who got hit was just wearing a stars and stripes shirt.

From what I saw the guy was holding a sign with Trump's face covered in a confederate flag and shouting who knows what at everyone. Doesn't make an assault okay but you play stupid games you win stupid prizes.

[troutman]

Warren attacks Trump on Facebook:

Let’s be honest – Donald Trump is a loser. Count all his failed businesses. See how he kept his father’s empire afloat by cheating people with scams like Trump University and by using strategic corporate bankruptcy (excuse me, bankruptcies) to skip out on debt. Listen to the experts who’ve concluded he’s so bad at business that he might have more money today if he’d put his entire inheritance into an index fund and just left it alone.

Trump seems to know he’s a loser. His embarrassing insecurities are on parade: petty bullying, attacks on women, cheap racism, and flagrant narcissism. But just because Trump is a loser everywhere else doesn’t mean he’ll lose this election. People have been underestimating his campaign for nearly a year – and it’s time to wake up.

People talk about how "this is the most important election" in our lifetime every four years, and it gets stale. But consider what hangs in the balance. Affordable college. Accountability for Wall Street. Healthcare for millions of Americans. The Supreme Court. Big corporations and billionaires paying their fair share of taxes. Expanded Social Security. Investments in infrastructure and medical research and jobs right here in America. The chance to turn our back on the ugliness of hatred, sexism, racism and xenophobia. The chance to be a better people.

More than anyone we’ve seen before come within reach of the presidency, Donald Trump stands ready to tear apart an America that was built on values like decency, community, and concern for our neighbors. Many of history’s worst authoritarians started out as losers – and Trump is a serious threat. The way I see it, it’s our job to make sure he ends this campaign every bit the loser that he started it.

[FlameOn]

Originally Posted by troutman

Warren attacks Trump on Facebook:

Let’s be honest – Donald Trump is a loser. Count all his failed businesses. See how he kept his father’s empire afloat by cheating people with scams like Trump University and by using strategic corporate bankruptcy (excuse me, bankruptcies) to skip out on debt. Listen to the experts who’ve concluded he’s so bad at business that he might have more money today if he’d put his entire inheritance into an index fund and just left it alone.

Trump seems to know he’s a loser. His embarrassing insecurities are on parade: petty bullying, attacks on women, cheap racism, and flagrant narcissism. But just because Trump is a loser everywhere else doesn’t mean he’ll lose this election. People have been underestimating his campaign for nearly a year – and it’s time to wake up.

People talk about how "this is the most important election" in our lifetime every four years, and it gets stale. But consider what hangs in the balance. Affordable college. Accountability for Wall Street. Healthcare for millions of Americans. The Supreme Court. Big corporations and billionaires paying their fair share of taxes. Expanded Social Security. Investments in infrastructure and medical research and jobs right here in America. The chance to turn our back on the ugliness of hatred, sexism, racism and xenophobia. The chance to be a better people.

More than anyone we’ve seen before come within reach of the presidency, Donald Trump stands ready to tear apart an America that was built on values like decency, community, and concern for our neighbors. Many of history’s worst authoritarians started out as losers – and Trump is a serious threat. The way I see it, it’s our job to make sure he ends this campaign every bit the loser that he started it.

Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge'.

-Isaac Asimov

[Hockey Fan #751]

Originally Posted by troutman

Warren attacks Trump on Facebook:

Let’s be honest – Donald Trump is a loser. Count all his failed businesses. See how he kept his father’s empire afloat by cheating people with scams like Trump University and by using strategic corporate bankruptcy (excuse me, bankruptcies) to skip out on debt. Listen to the experts who’ve concluded he’s so bad at business that he might have more money today if he’d put his entire inheritance into an index fund and just left it alone.

Trump seems to know he’s a loser. His embarrassing insecurities are on parade: petty bullying, attacks on women, cheap racism, and flagrant narcissism. But just because Trump is a loser everywhere else doesn’t mean he’ll lose this election. People have been underestimating his campaign for nearly a year – and it’s time to wake up.

People talk about how "this is the most important election" in our lifetime every four years, and it gets stale. But consider what hangs in the balance. Affordable college. Accountability for Wall Street. Healthcare for millions of Americans. The Supreme Court. Big corporations and billionaires paying their fair share of taxes. Expanded Social Security. Investments in infrastructure and medical research and jobs right here in America. The chance to turn our back on the ugliness of hatred, sexism, racism and xenophobia. The chance to be a better people.

More than anyone we’ve seen before come within reach of the presidency, Donald Trump stands ready to tear apart an America that was built on values like decency, community, and concern for our neighbors. Many of history’s worst authoritarians started out as losers – and Trump is a serious threat. The way I see it, it’s our job to make sure he ends this campaign every bit the loser that he started it.

Fair comment, but how is Cruz better? Cruz actually has a chance to win the real election and that's even scarier in my opinion. Not sure why any Democrat would care about Trump winning the Republican race.

[Ducay]

Originally Posted by Jacks

From what I saw the guy was holding a sign with Trump's face covered in a confederate flag and shouting who knows what at everyone. Doesn't make an assault okay but you play stupid games you win stupid prizes.

Just to clarify the stars & stripes guy had a blue KKK hood on before he was escorted to leave. The girl he was with (white hood) left hers on.

Trump at his press conference a few minutes ago just answered a question on this. Basically he said it was an unfortunate incident, and its a shame that the media no longer talk about him being african american and punching a guy in a KKK hood, but rather just that there was violence at a Trump rally.

[Zarley]

Scott Adams, creator of Dilbert, has been analyzing the success of the Trump campaign from a psychological standpoint on his blog for some time now. It's certainly one of the most cogent takes on the phenomenon that I have read; here is a WP article summarizing his thoughts:

Donald Trump will win in a landslide. *The mind behind ‘Dilbert’ explains why.

...Adams, in other words, believes that Trump himself has turned the campaign game around. On the stump, the real estate mogul is not running on the knowledge of his numbers or the dissection of the data. He is running on our emotions, Adams says, and sly appeals to our own human irrationality. Since last August, in fact, when many were calling Trump’s entry a clown candidacy, the “Dilbert” cartoonist was already declaring The Donald a master in the powers of persuasion who would undoubtedly rise in the polls. And last week, Adams began blogging about how Trump can rhetorically dismantle Clinton’s candidacy next...

[calgarygeologist]

Ted Cruz reminds me of Kevin from The Office with his weird facial expressions and little smirk and the way that he looks out of the corner of his eyes. He just has more hair than Kevin.

[Looch City]

Cruz wants to move the US embassy in Israel from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem on his first day in office.

What will that accomplish exactly? I'm so confused.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Iggy City

Cruz wants to move the US embassy in Israel from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem on his first day in office.

What will that accomplish exactly? I'm so confused.

It will accomplish the absolute alienation of every Arab in the Middle East, if it's possible to mess up that cr**p hole any more than it is it will, it will embolden the right wing Jewish settlers to more violence, Palestinians will respond with more violence of their own.

Top policy by a creature who only cares about his own political career regardless of the lives it costs. Outstanding Christian that he is.

[_Q_]

I'm really not sure why these AIPAC conferences are still a thing. Does Joe Blow from Kalamazoo really care about Israel that much? Does he give a rat's ass where the American embassy is in Israel?

[MRCboicgy]

How did my Facebook feed turn into "Obama a disgrace" because he was photographed in front of a Che Guevara mural?

I mean, if he visited Edmonton and they got the photo op with the Gretzky statue in the background (because the Northlands grounds are where you bring a sitting President...) it wouldn't make him an Oilers fan...

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by troutman

Warren attacks Trump on Facebook:

Let’s be honest – Donald Trump is a loser. Count all his failed businesses. See how he kept his father’s empire afloat by cheating people with scams like Trump University and by using strategic corporate bankruptcy (excuse me, bankruptcies) to skip out on debt. Listen to the experts who’ve concluded he’s so bad at business that he might have more money today if he’d put his entire inheritance into an index fund and just left it alone.

Trump seems to know he’s a loser. His embarrassing insecurities are on parade: petty bullying, attacks on women, cheap racism, and flagrant narcissism. But just because Trump is a loser everywhere else doesn’t mean he’ll lose this election. People have been underestimating his campaign for nearly a year – and it’s time to wake up.

People talk about how "this is the most important election" in our lifetime every four years, and it gets stale. But consider what hangs in the balance. Affordable college. Accountability for Wall Street. Healthcare for millions of Americans. The Supreme Court. Big corporations and billionaires paying their fair share of taxes. Expanded Social Security. Investments in infrastructure and medical research and jobs right here in America. The chance to turn our back on the ugliness of hatred, sexism, racism and xenophobia. The chance to be a better people.

More than anyone we’ve seen before come within reach of the presidency, Donald Trump stands ready to tear apart an America that was built on values like decency, community, and concern for our neighbors. Many of history’s worst authoritarians started out as losers – and Trump is a serious threat. The way I see it, it’s our job to make sure he ends this campaign every bit the loser that he started it.

This is Elizabeth Warren...?

[nik-]

I was hoping it was Warren Buffett

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by nik-

I was hoping it was Warren Buffett

Yeah, good essay and I was thinking it was Warren Buffet myself as it would stand out more. Love Elizabeth though.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by _Q_

I'm really not sure why these AIPAC conferences are still a thing. Does Joe Blow from Kalamazoo really care about Israel that much? Does he give a rat's ass where the American embassy is in Israel?

For reasons I don't quite understand Christian fundy nutters believe that supporting Israel is neccersary for bringing on the rapture, the U.S. is full of fundy nutters unfortunatly

[Senator Clay Davis]

Part of the reason I like Trump's chances of winning a general a lot more than most is the attacks in Brussels. More to the point, terrorist attacks are going to continue to happen, and as they do Trump's hardline positions are, to more and more voters, going to seem like "reasonable" positions to the alternative of possibly getting attacked. Particularly when you can expect Bernie and Hillary to preach a position in opposite to his. He'll be able to use the American public's fear and paranoia to his advantage in the long term to probably earn a larger base.

[troutman]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/22/politi...ton/index.html

The front-runners for each party's presidential nominations are viewed negatively at historic levels.

On the Republican side, Trump scores a net negative of -33, with a favorable rating of 24% compared to 57% of voters who view him unfavorably. On the Democratic side, Clinton fares only slightly better with a net negative of -21, registering a 31% favorable rating and a 52% unfavorable rating, according to the poll.

In a Clinton-Trump election, Clinton leads the billionaire businessman by 10 points. Against Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, Clinton is ahead by 3 points. And her lead disappears when matched up against Ohio Gov. John Kasich, who would beat Clinton by 4 points.

Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, Clinton's primary rival, performs better in a hypothetical contest with Trump. He leads the Republican front-runner by 15 points due to his strong support among independent voters, according to the poll.

[Hockey Fan #751]

Originally Posted by troutman

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/22/politi...ton/index.html

The front-runners for each party's presidential nominations are viewed negatively at historic levels.

On the Republican side, Trump scores a net negative of -33, with a favorable rating of 24% compared to 57% of voters who view him unfavorably. On the Democratic side, Clinton fares only slightly better with a net negative of -21, registering a 31% favorable rating and a 52% unfavorable rating, according to the poll.

In a Clinton-Trump election, Clinton leads the billionaire businessman by 10 points. Against Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, Clinton is ahead by 3 points. And her lead disappears when matched up against Ohio Gov. John Kasich, who would beat Clinton by 4 points.

Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, Clinton's primary rival, performs better in a hypothetical contest with Trump. He leads the Republican front-runner by 15 points due to his strong support among independent voters, according to the poll.

I'm certain Clinton would lose to Cruz and that would be a disaster in my opinion. Kasich wouldn't be bad but almost no chance he gets the nomination.

Trump winning would be a disaster but I still can't see him coming close in the general election.

[Senator Clay Davis]

People seem to be forgetting things about polling numbers this early, and especially how it relates to how much people even know about them. I feel pretty confident in saying Bernie is the cleanest candidate I've ever seen run for President in terms of no one really knows much about him or his history. His background has been examined very little, and the same applies here for Cruz and Kasich. So their numbers now are closer to their ceiling than their floor, and their floor could be pretty far (Cruz and Bernie in particular).

The advantage Trump and especially Hillary have is most people know them so well they long ago made up their mind on them. So their polling numbers are closer to their floor than their ceiling. Bernie and Kasich and Cruz still have go through the billion dollar negative campaign ride, and all will see a lot of drop in their approvals. Hillary and Trump have been there, done that so there's not much worse either can do, and both can probably only go up.