03-21-2016, 12:56 PM
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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Fun Fact: Monahan's now tied for 27th in league scoring. Gaudreau is 7th, and Mark Giordano is tied for 59th.
On February 15th, Johnny was still 7th in league scoring. However, no other Calgary Flames players were even in the top seventy in scoring.
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03-21-2016, 12:57 PM
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#22
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Vinny01
Monahan has taken an unfair beating by the haters on HF. Even though he is the leading goal scorer and nearly the highest point enter from his class he is passed by Ristolinen but ahead of Drouin and Lindholm.
He is 21 and is approaching 2 30 goal campaigns. This is a player that you sign for 8 years out of his elc. To me Johnny gets $7.5-$8M and Monahan is $6.5-$7M per full term
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Was it Anaheim that signed Getzlaf and Perry to new deals at the same time? I would love to see a presser with Johnny and Mony side by side having just inked new contracts concurrently.
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03-21-2016, 01:00 PM
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#23
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: CGY
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Manhattanboy
Was it Anaheim that signed Getzlaf and Perry to new deals at the same time? I would love to see a presser with Johnny and Mony side by side having just inked new contracts concurrently.
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Toews and Kane did as well I believe.
I think in both cases the players got identical deals but I do think Johnny will get more money than Sean. Both players will win games but Gaudreau also sells tickets and is because Kong the face of the franchise
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03-21-2016, 01:01 PM
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#24
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Vinny01
Toews and Kane did as well I believe.
I think in both cases the players got identical deals but I do think Johnny will get more money than Sean. Both players will win games but Gaudreau also sells tickets and is because Kong the face of the franchise
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I think they'll get the exact same 7 x 7 deals.
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03-21-2016, 01:02 PM
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#25
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Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Crowsnest Pass
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JBR
Time for Eric Francis to write an article about swirling rumours that he wants to go east and play for the Leafs.
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Time for Boomer and Warrener to say he only produces when nothing is on the line.
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03-21-2016, 01:41 PM
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#26
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Vinny01
Monahan has taken an unfair beating by the haters on HF. Even though he is the leading goal scorer and nearly the highest point enter from his class he is passed by Ristolinen but ahead of Drouin and Lindholm.
He is 21 and is approaching 2 30 goal campaigns. This is a player that you sign for 8 years out of his elc. To me Johnny gets $7.5-$8M and Monahan is $6.5-$7M per full term
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I feel like people overlook the difficulty of the position he plays. I think the difference in point totals between Johnny and Mony is made up by the fact that Mony plays C. I say this as a career right winger.
I think Johnny will get a smidge more than Mony, but I wouldn't be shocked if they signed identical deals, nor would I be opposed to that. Mony is integral to the success of this club.
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03-21-2016, 01:44 PM
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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From HFBoards, regarding Monahan's ranking among his draft class:
Post:
Can you even come close to predict 7 better players [than Monahan]?
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Well, you'd start with the top 5. Maybe Nichushkin. Possibly Nurse. And would you look at that I hit 7.
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MacKinnon, Barkov, Drouin, Jones, Lindholm, Nurse, Ristolainen, Nichuskin, Horvat, Domi, Mantha. Lol.
Just because Monahan has had a very good season and a half to start his career doesn't make him the best player from his draft. Others have yet to play a game. Wait a few more years. That's like trying to decide who the best player from the 2014 NHL draft is
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03-21-2016, 02:12 PM
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#28
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Lifetime Suspension
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheScorpion
From HFBoards, regarding Monahan's ranking among his draft class:
Post:
Can you even come close to predict 7 better players [than Monahan]?
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Well, you'd start with the top 5. Maybe Nichushkin. Possibly Nurse. And would you look at that I hit 7.
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MacKinnon, Barkov, Drouin, Jones, Lindholm, Nurse, Ristolainen, Nichuskin, Horvat, Domi, Mantha. Lol.
Just because Monahan has had a very good season and a half to start his career doesn't make him the best player from his draft. Others have yet to play a game. Wait a few more years. That's like trying to decide who the best player from the 2014 NHL draft is
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Why are you posting this?
If you want to deal in this smut, why not just post there and save us all from having to hear stuff like this? It's why many of us don't go there.
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03-21-2016, 02:19 PM
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#29
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Crash and Bang Winger
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Foster City, California
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Was really looking forward to seeing a Boring Sean Monahan tweet. Something like:
"I asked Coach Hartley if getting 3rd star of the week was cool and he said "yeah".
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03-21-2016, 02:20 PM
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#30
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GoJetsGo
Why are you posting this?
If you want to deal in this smut, why not just post there and save us all from having to hear stuff like this? It's why many of us don't go there.
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To further illustrate the league-wide underrating of Sean?
Meh, whatever.
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03-21-2016, 02:26 PM
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#31
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm
Right.
And is there any indication they factor that in for the simple players of the week awards? It's entirely stats based, something for fans to get excited for when their player is named. It's really doubt it's debated that much.
Is it easier to put up points in a no pressure situation? Of course. That's not what this is about though, not this situation.
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Is there any indication this is entirely stats based? John Scott got first star of the week scoring zero goals while playing zero official games.
At the end of the day, the 3 stars of the week don't mean anything. But placing Sid first and Sean 3rd while Sean's stats are better confirms that it is not strictly stats based.
Sid got his points in huge divisional games for his team during the stretch drive while their 2nd best player is injured. That to me would place his performance ahead of Sean. And the NHL saw the same thing.
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03-21-2016, 02:31 PM
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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^ In what world are assists suddenly quantified as worse than goals? Last I heard, they were both worth the same.
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03-21-2016, 02:34 PM
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#33
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GOAT!
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheScorpion
^ In what world are assists suddenly quantified as worse than goals? Last I heard, they were both worth the same.
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Can you score a goal without an assist?
Does the team with the most goals win the game?
Is there an award at the end of the season for the most goals?
Can you assist a goal without a goal being scored?
Does the team with the most assists win the game?
Is there an award at the end of the season for the most assists?
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03-21-2016, 02:37 PM
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#34
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by albertGQ
Is there any indication this is entirely stats based? John Scott got first star of the week scoring zero goals while playing zero official games.
At the end of the day, the 3 stars of the week don't mean anything. But placing Sid first and Sean 3rd while Sean's stats are better confirms that it is not strictly stats based.
Sid got his points in huge divisional games for his team during the stretch drive while their 2nd best player is injured. That to me would place his performance ahead of Sean. And the NHL saw the same thing.
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The last thing the league is going to do on their official website, IMO, is make some games more important than others.
" Hey fans, we don't value the games that your team played, but you should keep paying full price for those seats, okay?"
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03-21-2016, 02:40 PM
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#35
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Enoch Root
The last thing the league is going to do on their official website, IMO, is make some games more important than others.
"Hey fans, we don't value the games that your team played, but you should keep paying full price for those seats, okay?"
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That's not what they're saying. Some games are more important. Sometimes the NHL will switch start times of games late in the season that have playoff implications so they can fit NBC's schedule and be televised.
No one truly thinks all 1200 NHL regular season games are equal.
What Sid did while their 2nd best player is injured was more impressive than what Sean did in no pressure games. And the NHL acknowledged that by naming him 3rd star
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03-21-2016, 02:56 PM
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#36
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In the Sin Bin
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheScorpion
To further illustrate the league-wide underrating of Sean?
Meh, whatever.
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Who cares? HF is filled with people who speak with authority on players they don't actually watch. What uninformed fans think is 100% irrelevant.
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03-21-2016, 03:03 PM
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#37
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In the Sin Bin
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Vinny01
Even though he is the leading goal scorer and nearly the highest point enter from his class he is passed by Ristolinen but ahead of Drouin and Lindholm.
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To be fair Ristolainen looks like he could be the next Pronger. I think he'd easily go top 5 in a redraft.
1. Barkov
2. Ristolainen
3. Jones
4. Monahan
5. MacKinnon
That's probably how I'd have it right now.
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03-21-2016, 03:06 PM
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#38
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Franchise Player
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Marseilles Of The Prairies
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GoJetsGo
Why are you posting this?
If you want to deal in this smut, why not just post there and save us all from having to hear stuff like this? It's why many of us don't go there.
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Looool CP, don't ever change.
"Grrr why would you present us with opinions that run contrary to our hugbox narrative!"
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03-21-2016, 03:11 PM
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#39
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Flame Country
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PsYcNeT
Looool CP, don't ever change.
"Grrr why would you present us with opinions that run contrary to our hugbox narrative!"
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Ya let's hear what a dallas fan thinks about Calgary's top centerman.
HF is 80% teenagers who are barely knowledgeable about their own team and act like they know everything about every team. All they want to do is troll other teams fans and prop up their own.
Of course CP is full of bias, but we at least know lot's about our own team and I believe generally make sound comparisons and have enough respect for other teams top players/prospect (except maybe Vancouver and Edmonton, but they had it coming).
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03-21-2016, 03:14 PM
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#40
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Salmon with Arms
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FanIn80
NHL logic: 4GP, 2G, 5A, 1GWG > 4GP, 5G, 2A, 2GWG
(Edited because I can't count.)
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Crosby has been better than Mony this week. Stats are helpful but don't tell the story for this week
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