Looks like the Trump rally in Arizona that is happening right now might get pretty crazy. It is incredible how much police and security he has in place for these events.
Looks like the Trump rally in Arizona that is happening right now might get pretty crazy. It is incredible how much police and security he has in place for these events.
Well, you need a lot of protection when you have a radical message like this:
"so today on Drudge one of the very big stories were the border agents they say they support Trump that Trump is the only one running that has their backs okay and they can do the job but they don't get support from the politicians now why? I'm self-funding my campaign. I'm putting up my own money. These guys are all I look at them all up and down we started out at 17 we're down now to three don't we love it? We lost the future of the Republican party on Tuesday..."
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"a bullet gets fired in the air and the people we send the equipment to they flee and the enemy takes over this great equipment and they have better equipment than we do and they are using our equipment. Those days are done".
"we're going to tell our companies 'come on back folks come on back, you left, we had incompetent leadership you left' and they are not coming back, they're going to say 'we're not coming back, why should we, we're in Mexico, we're all over the place" and here's what we have to do. You know, Jeb Bush would say "he's not a conservative. I'm a conservative folks, but I'm also like smart I'm smart.. Jeb spent 48 million in New Hampshire, I spent two and I won in a landslide, and he was #6 I mean give me a break".
This is just gibberish. Meaningless, nonsensical garbage. And these morons are eating it up. He's not saying anything! How can they not see this?
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Not gonna happen anymore folks!
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Lyin' Ted!
It's just rhetoric. And they crowd is absolutely eating it up.
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From what I've read, Trump is drawing his support mainly from the politically disengaged. I doubt they're big talk radio listeners. And anti-establishment, nativist populism has been a force in American politics since long before Fox and Limbaugh. Look at Barry Goldwater and George Wallace.
This is a critically flawed analysis of the situation in the states right now.
Trump's political support is based almost entirely in Tea Partiers.
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The success of Trump’s campaign has, if nothing else, exposed the Tea Party for what it really is; Trump’s popularity is, in effect, final proof of what some of us have been arguing for years: that the Tea Party is less a libertarian movement than a right-wing version of populism. Think William Jennings Bryan or Huey Long, not Ayn Rand. Tea Partiers are less upset about the size of government overall than they are that so much of it is going to other people, especially immigrants and nonwhites. They are for government for them and against government for Not-Them.
This is what explains a lot of what’s going on now. After all, according to the commentariat, the Summer of Trump was supposed to have been the Summer of Rand Paul. It seems like only yesterday that the media were interpreting the rise of the Tea Party as a triumph of anti-statism and predicting that Paul, with his libertarian views on national security and data privacy, represented the future of the American right.
But Paul has all but disappeared from view, polling in the low single digits, while Trump has soared into the lead, and nothing he says, no matter how outrageous, seems to sour the right-wing base on him. Trump is no libertarian; quite the opposite. He is a classic populist of the right who peddles suspicion of foreigners—it’s no accident that he was the country’s leading “birther” raising questions about Barack Obama’s citizenship—combined with a kind of “producerism.” In populist ideology, society is divided not among rich and poor but among producers and parasites.
Populists are suspicious of unearned wealth, including the interest charged by bankers who manipulate “other people’s money” (to use the phrase of Louis Brandeis). And populists the world over are hostile to the idle or undeserving poor who allegedly live on welfare at the expense of productive workers and capitalists. Populists tend to attribute the existence of large numbers of the idle rich and the idle poor to government corruption. In the words of the 1892 People’s Party platform: “From the same prolific womb of governmental injustice we breed the two great classes—tramps and millionaires.”
To anyone paying attention, it should have been clear from the 2010 elections onward that Tea Party voters were at odds with the libertarians in the Republican donor class and Beltway think tanks. Further confirmation came when David Brat, an obscure college professor, defeated Republican House Majority Leader Eric Cantor in a 2014 Republican primary in a shocking upset. Cantor was punished for supporting more legal immigration and amnesty for illegal immigrants, something favored by Republican elites but opposed by conservative voters. Of immigration, Brat told Fox News: “It’s the most symbolic issue that captures the differences between me and Eric Cantor.”
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In domestic policy, Trump’s rejection of orthodox conservatism is just as dramatic. The establishment right supports cuts in Social Security and the voucherization of Medicare; Trump does not. No apostasy on Trump’s part is more unforgiveable to the conservative elite than his heresy on taxes. Conservative orthodoxy holds that the rich—no matter how they make their money—are by definition “wealth creators” and “job creators” and that the best way to grow the economy is to lower their taxes further. Trump, however, favors progressive taxation and despises “paper-pushers” on Wall Street: “The hedge fund guys didn’t build this country. These are guys that shift paper around and they get lucky…. But a lot of them—they are paper-pushers. They make a fortune. They pay no tax. It’s ridiculous, ok?”
A Marist poll of April 18, 2011, proves that Trumpist populism was a fully fledged worldview among Tea Party voters years before Donald Trump announced his run for the Republican presidential nomination. In the survey, 81 percent of self-identified Tea Party supporters opposed raising the federal debt ceiling. But majorities of Tea Party supporters also favored reducing the federal debt by raising taxes on those with incomes over $250,000 (53 percent) and opposed cuts to Medicare and Medicaid (70 percent).
Trump's appeal isn't to the politically 'disengaged', but to the ravenous politically active conservatives who have turned their backs on all manner GOP policies and politicians.
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1.89 millon Americans watch Fox News. There are 125 million households in the USA. It's difficult for political and news junkies to comprehend, but the vast majority of Americans are not engaged or informed politically. They do not watch Fox or CNN or the Colbert Report or listen to Rush Limbaugh. The populism that article talks of was not manufactured by the right-wing media. It has been around far longer than the Tea Party or Fox news. It can be found in every democracy. The term populism was coined in classical Athens, and I'm pretty sure ancient Greece didn't have talk radio. Blaming a news outlet for creating the wave that Trump is riding ignores how enduring and widespread a force nativism and resentment of elites has always been in democracies.
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1.89 millon Americans watch Fox News. There are 125 million households in the USA. It's difficult for political and news junkies to comprehend, but the vast majority of Americans are not engaged or informed politically. They do not watch Fox or CNN or the Colbert Report or listen to Rush Limbaugh. The populism that article talks of was not manufactured by the right-wing media. It has been around far longer than the Tea Party or Fox news. It can be found in every democracy. The term populism was coined in classical Athens, and I'm pretty sure ancient Greece didn't have talk radio. Blaming a news outlet for creating the wave that Trump is riding ignores how enduring and widespread a force nativism and resentment of elites has always been in democracies.
TV channels don't mean squat anymore, over 270 million Americans use the internet, hell, when Trump says something crazy ...smart phones start dinging.
Among older, rural Americans with only a HS education - Trump's constituency - smart phone ownership is well under 50 per cent, and even internet use is under 75 per cent. These aren't creatures of the right-wing media, however alluring it is to believe. They would still be frustrated and angry without Fox or Rush, just as the popularity of Bernie Sanders can't simply be laid at the door of the Huffington Post and Mother Jones.
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If this day gets you riled up, you obviously aren't numb to the disappointment yet to be a real fan.
What right-wing media is responsible for is its role in eroding the legitimacy of validating institutions that would normally have corralled and contained Trump. Instead the right-wing media project of the past 15 years has been to obliterate the trust in these institutions. They are not blameless. The ring-wing media has been systematically setting the table for someone like Trump to come along. When you make lying normal, when you make the concept of a fact elastic to the point that there is no definable milieu by which to actually have meaningful policy discussions, when you bray to the loudest most chauvinistic views for ratings eventually a lying chauvisnist bigger than all others will emerge.
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"we're going to tell our companies 'come on back folks come on back, you left, we had incompetent leadership you left' and they are not coming back, they're going to say 'we're not coming back, why should we, we're in Mexico, we're all over the place" and here's what we have to do. You know, Jeb Bush would say "he's not a conservative. I'm a conservative folks, but I'm also like smart I'm smart.. Jeb spent 48 million in New Hampshire, I spent two and I won in a landslide, and he was #6 I mean give me a break".
This is just gibberish. Meaningless, nonsensical garbage. And these morons are eating it up. He's not saying anything! How can they not see this?
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The people of Utah do not like the Donald. Down 40 points to Cruz, and if he's the nominee he's pretty much in a dead heat with "write in" as the Republican voters choice in November.
Anyone who wears a Klu Klux Klan outfit for any political purposes - even to spoof a guy like Trump - has crossed the line by such a great degree that it's frightening that they can't recognize it.
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Anyone who wears a Klu Klux Klan outfit for any political purposes - even to spoof a guy like Trump - has crossed the line by such a great degree that it's frightening that they can't recognize it.
no kidding
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Did I miss something? Looks like the girl was the one wearing a hood and the guy who got hit was just wearing a stars and stripes shirt.
Yeah, I thought the same thing - the heathen Trump supporter was beating down a different protester, not the guy in the Klan hood. Not exactly something to be cheered.
Anyone who wears a Klu Klux Klan outfit for any political purposes - even to spoof a guy like Trump - has crossed the line by such a great degree that it's frightening that they can't recognize it.
You mean, even when the Klan and the White Power movements have come out and endorsed and financially supported a candidate, and said candidate has not gone out of his/her way to distance themselves from these groups? Diasgree. You embrace that stuff you deserve to have it used against you. Imagery in politics is very powerful, both positively and negatively. When dealing with extremists you need to battle them with extreme messaging campaigns. If anyone is serious about knocking Trump off his pedestal and slowing his momentum, this is the type of imagery that needs to be used. A face needs to be applied to his support that makes it repugnant for the vast majority of people to accept.
