It will be interesting to see how the movement clause stuff works out. There will definitely be some talent available and the Vegas team is going to be tough out of the gate.
I'm curious if Gio gets protected if this happens. Thats a hefty cap hit for an older player moving forward. From a strict dollars and cents POV, leaving Gio unprotected could be a big money saver for the Flames.
You'd still have Hamilton and Brodie as your D foundation. With a few promising prospects to fill in the voids.
One of the worst ideas I've seen on CP, and I've seen some bad ones. We are building around Giordano, he is our captain and one of our best players. Outside of a 20 games stretch to start this year he's been playing Norris calibre hockey for nearly three years.
I would seriously have to reconsider how much I would invest in this team if we had people up top who would make a decision that idiotic and damaging to our future.
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If the situation is far different when and if expansion happens than MAYBE talk of trading or exposing Gio becomes something other than silly talk or assbackwards. But based on what we know right now? It's absolutely stupid. Gio is a top 20 defensman in this league and our captain.
I can't think of nineteen defensemen who are better than Giordano. For that matter, I have a difficult time forming a list of ten.
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Just a whole bunch of issues out there for everyone though.
Fucale in Montreal presuming Price is protected.
Subban in Boston presuming Rask is protected.
Murray in Pittsburgh presuming Fleury is protected.
Hutchinson in Winnipeg presuming Hellenbuck is protected.
Andersen in Anaheim presuming Gibson is protected.
I'm sure the list continues for just about everyone in the NHL. I'm not sure Gillies is ranked as highly outside of Calgary which could be a good thing. Also, his injury might just be a blessing in disguise. Not a whole lot of body of work compared to the above goalies.
It's going to be insane right before the expansion draft if it happens. You can bet that we will see a lot of trades where teams who can't protect a player don't want to lose him for free.
It's going to shake up every roster in the NHL. One team I see this affecting the most is the Chicago Blackhawks.
There were legitimate reasons for wanting to move on from the Iginla era. Gio is playing awesome at both ends of the rink (something that Iginla stopped doing) and is playing like an 8-9 million dollar player and is under contract for less than 7.
Plus it's not like Gio is 37 or something like that.
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Somehow, it seems fitting that after spending years trying to run Iginla out of town, elements of CP shifted to wanting to run Giordano out of town.
Looking forward to those same elements wanting to run Monahan in a couple years.
Okay. So exploring the idea of the team exposing Giordano to the expansion draft equates to me wanting him off the team? Sure thing boss.
"Elements" how arrogantly passive aggressive.
As for the idea being stupid or assbackwards, how narrow-minded do you have to be to not acknowledge the possibility that there's a very real chance the player will decline from the amazing play of the previous few years and will likely be a cap liability half way through the new contract.
But let's be abundantly clear here, nowhere did I say I wanted Gio off the team. The post I made that started all this was made in curiosity, and a few adamant posters rejected it like a body rejects the wrong type of liver after a transplant. Which is great.
But a few other acknowledged the possibility, even if remote, that a situation like that can occur.
So let's stop with the degrading reamrks, or the passive aggressive BS I am quoting.
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One of the worst ideas I've seen on CP, and I've seen some bad ones. We are building around Giordano, he is our captain and one of our best players. Outside of a 20 games stretch to start this year he's been playing Norris calibre hockey for nearly three years.
I would seriously have to reconsider how much I would invest in this team if we had people up top who would make a decision that idiotic and damaging to our future.
Let's just say the Flames acquired Hamonic in the summer. Which three D do you protect then?
Torn between Josi and Klingberg. Brodie's not top 10 yet. Also torn with Letang. Vlasic and Seabrook are both massively overrated.
Brodie isn't top 10 yet? Based on what criteria? Goals/assists? Sure.
I don't know if there are many defenceman that make their team so much better like Brodie does. It may not show up on the scoresheet, but his influence on the team is very, very noticeable on the ice. I personally think he's in the top 10.
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It's going to be insane right before the expansion draft if it happens. You can bet that we will see a lot of trades where teams who can't protect a player don't want to lose him for free.
It's going to shake up every roster in the NHL. One team I see this affecting the most is the Chicago Blackhawks.
It seems that way but it'll likely be minor.
They can protect all of their key pieces while offering up (at best) a 39 year old Hossa or Andrew Shaw or Ladd.
They're going to be just fine, if not status quo.
It's Chicago, this is somehow going to just help them.
Let's just say the Flames acquired Hamonic in the summer. Which three D do you protect then?
You probably protect all of Giordano, Hamilton, Brodie and Hamonic, and protect less forwards under that other scenario that was brought up. Really, the only forwards we absolutely can't live without are Gaudreau, Monahan and Bennett. The rest comes down to asset management. Whichever of those for D is the least valuable would still be more valuable than any of our remaining forwards, including Backlund and Frolik.
Let's just say the Flames acquired Hamonic in the summer. Which three D do you protect then?
I don't know if BT would do something like that. That's borderline reckless.
Essentially he would be giving up important draft picks, if not a couple roster players as well, for a defenceman who now ties the Flames hands when deciding which three defencemen to keep.
Imagine trading away picks + a player only to gain Hamonic, then choose whether we want to keep him over Gio, TJ, or Dougie.
EDIT: I didn't take into consideration the second option of protecting players (i.e. 8 skaters). In that case I guess we would protect all 4 Dmen (including Hamonic), JG, Monny, Bennett, and 1 more (Frolik/Backlund/Ferland?)
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