The Ongoing Dog Attack Mega-Thread

[undercoverbrother]

The report says it was "cane corso mastiffs", I am not a dog guy, but didn't think they were know as a violent dog breed.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

The report says it was "cane corso mastiffs", I am not a dog guy, but didn't think they were know as a violent dog breed.

I just assumed they're violent because white trash people love mastiffs.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Sliver

I just assumed they're violent because white trash people love mastiffs.

Yeah I didn't know that either.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by foshizzle11

Wow, that is a sad story. I hope those 5 dogs are rehabilitated and adopted out to quality, responsible owners. He isn't one obviously. That guy shouldn't ever be allowed to own a dog again. That should be something the law should be able to enforce.

This again isn't the breeds fault, it is the owners fault. Likely didn't train those dogs properly or have enough time to do it. We have a couple of dogs and that is tough enough, I can't imagine having 5 strong dogs to train. That is just plain silly.

I hope they are all humanely put down, they're dogs for Christ sake, not people, they do something like this you euthanise them, end of story, it doesn't matter that their owners a dick, it doesn't matter that it isn't fair, they are dogs, if a dog is overly aggressive or dangerous you put them down every time regardless of circumstance.

i say this as a dog owner, but taught by my grandfather who had his own dog put down after it bit someone.

[rayne008]

There is also a huge difference in a dog bite and a dog mauling.

As a kid I had a few dog bites, last one I had accidentally stepped on a kitten in our living room, and our mama Bernese Mountian dog snapped at me a bit my leg. Big difference than a violent mauling. (IMO)

[Since1984]

Originally Posted by Sliver

I just assumed they're violent because white trash people love mastiffs.

Just like useless lazy overopinionated DB's love scooters/Rascals?

We can all stereotype...Mastiffs, Pitbulls, Large Breed dogs are amazing animlas to have if they are trained, socialized and monitored correctly.

I have said this in the past dog owners should be licensed along with the dog.

[northcrunk]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

I hope they are all humanely put down, they're dogs for Christ sake, not people, they do something like this you euthanise them, end of story, it doesn't matter that their owners a dick, it doesn't matter that it isn't fair, they are dogs, if a dog is overly aggressive or dangerous you put them down every time regardless of circumstance.

i say this as a dog owner, but taught by my grandfather who had his own dog put down after it bit someone.

Well said AFC. Unfortunatly for the dogs they haven't been trained or raised properly and they are mauling other animals they need to be put down.

[OMG!WTF!]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

I hope they are all humanely put down, they're dogs for Christ sake, not people, they do something like this you euthanise them, end of story, it doesn't matter that their owners a dick, it doesn't matter that it isn't fair, they are dogs, if a dog is overly aggressive or dangerous you put them down every time regardless of circumstance.

i say this as a dog owner, but taught by my grandfather who had his own dog put down after it bit someone.

22 of Mike Vick's dogs went on to live happy lives with families. If you can rehabilitate a dog, why wouldn't you? Cause grandpa knows best?

[OMG!WTF!]

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[pseudoreality]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

The report says it was "cane corso mastiffs", I am not a dog guy, but didn't think they were know as a violent dog breed.

My buddy has one of those. They were original bred for warfare and are very intimidating looking. He did a poor job of training it and just left it in his backyard all the time. It's not house trained, doesn't respond to commands very well and has a very poor recall. However, the dog is not aggressive other than the typically territorial thing you would expect with respect to "his" back yard.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Since1984

Just like useless lazy overopinionated DB's love scooters/Rascals?

We can all stereotype...Mastiffs, Pitbulls, Large Breed dogs are amazing animlas to have if they are trained, socialized and monitored correctly.

I have said this in the past dog owners should be licensed along with the dog.

Maybe they are amazing animlas. Hyenas are pretty amazing, too. It doesn't mean I'd want some white trash guy cruising around my neighbourhood with one sans leash.

[Since1984]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Maybe they are amazing animlas. Hyenas are pretty amazing, too. It doesn't mean I'd want some white trash guy cruising around my neighbourhood with one sans leash.

I agree 100% with you on the leashing of these and all animals in public and you know that I was referring to them as a companion/pet and not just the fact that they are an "amazing animal".

I feel terrible for the old guy and his best friend. Such a horrible day to endure. One day I hope the laws and regulations on owning any dog, not just large breed dogs, is stiffer and requires course and tests to be passed to own one and that after passing/getting approved to own one you are to have mandatory training/obedience training for the dog. but one can only dream I guess.

[Dan02]

I'll just leave this list here for people to read and they can tell me if a couple certain breeds of dogs aren't the problem.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_..._United_States

The arguments i hear about not banning certain breeds are the same stupid ones I hear about people who are all about their guns.

It's not bad dogs who kill people it's bad dog owners, it's not guns that kill people it's people.

Guess what, I totally agree with that statement, not only that but occasionally a good dog with good owners just goes bad, for god knows what reason.

But if you look at that list and realize that 80-90% of the fatalities are being cause by just a couple breeds and don't understand why they should probably go the way of the dodo then you're probably just an idiot.

No one has ever made a convincing argument about why they NEED to have these breeds other then misguided notions about protecting their family and stupid stuff like that. Well guess what, just like guns, guess who is most likely to fall victim to your dog, that's right your own ####ing friends/family. No you don't need a pitbull or a rottie, you just don't fullstop.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by polak

lol As has been said many times already, no need to have dogs like that. It's not some god given right for people to have big, aggressive breeds that can do a lot of damage.

Also this idea that dogs don't have different temperaments, aggression levels and personalities (per se, personality might be a strong word) is ridiculous. Just like people, some dogs are just dicks and need to be removed from society. Save me the sob stories about how it's never the dogs fault they mauled someone.

Since you're going to compare these things, are you going to base the types of people that should be removed from society based on the statistics of what "type" commits more crimes or more violent crimes? Or would you agree that there are systemic issues that contribute to such statistics?

That story is terrible and sad, I can't imagine having that happen it would be the worst thing possible. But, in order empathize with him you have to also agree with the notion that a person's connection to their dog can be very strong and possibly the most important in their lives (especially for an older person like the man in the story).

You can agree that Pitbulls should be banned while also agreeing that it's not the dogs fault. They have no ability to discern what we consider to be right and wrong, they only know what they are trained.

Having 4 dogs of any type is pretty ridiculous, having 4 huge vicious dogs is insane and I'm glad they will be charged. But the real pain is going to be that of the only innocents in the scenario (the old man, his helpless dog, the dog(s) that attacked that will now be put down.)

The dogs should be put down, they are a menace. But they didn't choose to be menaces, and their breed is only a factor because their owner thinks that breed looks tough and should be trained to be attack dogs (or not trained at all).

[Since1984]

Originally Posted by Dan02

I'll just leave this list here for people to read and they can tell me if a couple certain breeds of dogs aren't the problem.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_..._United_States

The arguments i hear about not banning certain breeds are the same stupid ones I hear about people who are all about their guns.

It's not bad dogs who kill people it's bad dog owners, it's not guns that kill people it's people.

Guess what, I totally agree with that statement, not only that but occasionally a good dog with good owners just goes bad, for god knows what reason.

But if you look at that list and realize that 80-90% of the fatalities are being cause by just a couple breeds and don't understand why they should probably go the way of the dodo then you're probably just an idiot.

No one has ever made a convincing argument about why they NEED to have these breeds other then misguided notions about protecting their family and stupid stuff like that. Well guess what, just like guns, guess who is most likely to fall victim to your dog, that's right your own ####ing friends/family. No you don't need a pitbull or a rottie, you just don't fullstop.

Nobody NEEDS a certain type off dog, I ave never heard of an educated dog person looking to get a dog say I need to get a Pitbull or a Rottwieler. Those are the type of people that shouldn't be purchasing a dog in the first place.

I have had dogs my whole life, In those 32 years the breeds I have had are Bichon Frise/West Highland Terrier Cross, Rottweiler/Pitbull Cross, Rottweiler, German Shepard/Rottweiler Cross, Golden Retriever, Black Lab/Pitbull Cross and a Shar-Pei/Mastiff Cross. All were rescues except for the bichon/Terrier and the Golden Retriever. All of them were trained and socialized frequently for the first 2 years of their lives.

We had to put down one of them for attacking my sisters face when we were younger, Guess which one it was? the white little bugger of a Bichon Frise/Terrier.

I can't argue the fact that sometimes good dogs do snap and attack randomly as we all know this to be fact. But it is a risk that many are willing to take.

These debates are nearly futile as each side tend to be completely closed minded to the other sides argument.

I do feel that one day Pitbull breeds will "go the way of the Dodo" but thankfully I will either have passed or be nearing my end days and will have had the pleasure to have one as a companion and best friend.

[polak]

Originally Posted by MattyC

Since you're going to compare these things, are you going to base the types of people that should be removed from society based on the statistics of what "type" commits more crimes or more violent crimes? Or would you agree that there are systemic issues that contribute to such statistics?

Actually that comment (removed from society) was directed at individual dogs. As in a dog that has shown to not be safe to leave around humans needs to removed from society.

However I still think we should ban breeding these aggressive breeds. Definitely don't think we should kill existing dogs. Just stop making new ones!!

[polak]

This might seem inhumane but how about a yearly dog evaluation? It would be mandatory and you'd have to pay into it so users pay for it and you'd test the dogs temperament off leash. Once you pass, you carry a registration card that shows your dog passed his yearly evaluation.

Dog doesn't pass, it gets put down.

In my opinion you would only fail if the dog showed serious signs of aggression. This would eliminate the possibility of having a guard dog, but I don't really care. You don't need a guard dog. Get an alarm. At least you can't lose momentary control of an alarm and have it maul someone.

[8 Ball]

Originally Posted by polak

This might seem inhumane but how about a yearly dog evaluation? It would be mandatory and you'd have to pay into it so users pay for it and you'd test the dogs temperament off leash. Once you pass, you carry a registration card that shows your dog passed his yearly evaluation.

Dog doesn't pass, it gets put down.

In my opinion you would only fail if the dog showed serious signs of aggression. This would eliminate the possibility of having a guard dog, but I don't really care. You don't need a guard dog. Get an alarm. At least you can't lose momentary control of an alarm and have it maul someone.

For all dogs? That would be a massive undertaking...

[polak]

Originally Posted by 8 Ball

For all dogs? That would be a massive undertaking...

No only for breeds that are dangerous. I don't really care if some shih tzu bites ankles.

Even if it was a massive undertaking, what's the problem? All dog owners would have to pay for it. Create a few jobs while you're at it.

[Table 5]

Personally, I think a fairly simple solution would be to require all dogs over a certain size to have to wear a muzzle in public.