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View Poll Results: How do you feel about the Russell trade
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Great trade. More than I expected.
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Good trade. Maybe slightly more than I expected
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Average trade. Got fair market value.
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Below average trade. Got slightly less than I expected.
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Bad trade. Bad return for Russell.
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03-12-2016, 03:26 PM
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#721
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Russell was the #1 d-man on Dallas in their first place battle with the Hawks that they the Stars won 5-2.
He has been in the Stars top pairing for the last 4 games.
Something is wrong where Russell was supposed to be a #4/5 D-man on the worst team in Flames History and he goes to being #1/2 with the team at the top of the Western Conference standings.
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03-12-2016, 03:48 PM
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#722
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I believe in the Pony Power
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Sample size
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03-12-2016, 03:49 PM
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#723
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: BC
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Originally Posted by ricardodw
Russell was the #1 d-man on Dallas in their first place battle with the Hawks that they the Stars won 5-2.
He has been in the Stars top pairing for the last 4 games.
Something is wrong where Russell was supposed to be a #4/5 D-man on the worst team in Flames History and he goes to being #1/2 with the team at the top of the Western Conference standings.
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Klingberg is injured or he wouldn't be in that position.
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03-12-2016, 03:52 PM
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In the Sin Bin
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This team is not worse than the Young Guns era Flames. Surely anyone who watched both eras knows that. The NHL is overall much better than it was back then. An 18th placed team back in the mid 90's would be one of the worst teams in the league right now if not outright the worst. Quit trolling us Ricardo.
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03-12-2016, 04:02 PM
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#725
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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Russell is one of those players that can be really good in flashes. I'm not surprised that he is playing important minutes with Dallas right now and hopefully for him he can sustain it for a while.
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03-12-2016, 04:12 PM
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#726
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction
Russell is one of those players that can be really good in flashes. I'm not surprised that he is playing important minutes with Dallas right now and hopefully for him he can sustain it for a while.
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Yes please sustain for three rounds of the NHL playoffs...first round pick here we come...
Trade looking better by the day. Way to go Tre!
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03-12-2016, 04:15 PM
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#727
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First Line Centre
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What's the best case scenario for playoff matchups? Stars vs Preds?
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03-12-2016, 04:17 PM
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#728
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: The Bay Area
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ricardodw
Russell was the #1 d-man on Dallas in their first place battle with the Hawks that they the Stars won 5-2.
He has been in the Stars top pairing for the last 4 games.
Something is wrong where Russell was supposed to be a #4/5 D-man on the worst team in Flames History and he goes to being #1/2 with the team at the top of the Western Conference standings.
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Quit being vague. Spit it out... what do you think is wrong?
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03-12-2016, 04:30 PM
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#729
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Kamloops
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News flash: Russell is a good player. He also has more ability than most to elevate his game at times like he did last year for Calgary.
Nothing is strange here.
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03-12-2016, 04:35 PM
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#730
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Celebrated Square Root Day
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Originally Posted by the2bears
Quit being vague. Spit it out... what do you think is wrong?
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Something something Hamilton.
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03-12-2016, 04:42 PM
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#731
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher
This team is not worse than the Young Guns era Flames. Surely anyone who watched both eras knows that. The NHL is overall much better than it was back then. An 18th placed team back in the mid 90's would be one of the worst teams in the league right now if not outright the worst. Quit trolling us Ricardo.
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The very worst teams , up til now, resulted in a 25th place finish in 1995-96 only 8 pts out of the playoffs and 12 pts clear of the basement.
In 1996-97 was worse 26th overall but 23 points out of last and 11 pts out of the playoffs.
This year train wreck 6 pts out of the basement and 13 pts out of the playoffs.
There is no metric that would show that this team is not the worst team in Flames history.
What makes it even worse is that this Flames team is spending very near to the top of the league, when the other past teams were spending about 50% of what the top spending teams were spending.
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03-12-2016, 04:47 PM
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#732
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Oct 2011
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Originally Posted by ricardodw
The very worst teams , up til now, resulted in a 25th place finish in 1995-96 only 8 pts out of the playoffs and 12 pts clear of the basement.
In 1996-97 was worse 26th overall but 23 points out of last and 11 pts out of the playoffs.
This year train wreck 6 pts out of the basement and 13 pts out of the playoffs.
There is no metric that would show that this team is not the worst team in Flames history.
What makes it even worse is that this Flames team is spending very near to the top of the league, when the other past teams were spending about 50% of what the top spending teams were spending.
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Just throwing this out there but maybe this years team has had the worst goaltending in flames history?
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03-12-2016, 04:49 PM
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#733
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Kamloops
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Beaten to the goaltending comment.
Pointless to suggest the Flames record has anything to do with anything else.
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03-12-2016, 04:50 PM
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ricardodw
The very worst teams , up til now, resulted in a 25th place finish in 1995-96 only 8 pts out of the playoffs and 12 pts clear of the basement.
In 1996-97 was worse 26th overall but 23 points out of last and 11 pts out of the playoffs.
This year train wreck 6 pts out of the basement and 13 pts out of the playoffs.
There is no metric that would show that this team is not the worst team in Flames history.
What makes it even worse is that this Flames team is spending very near to the top of the league, when the other past teams were spending about 50% of what the top spending teams were spending.
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This team has the worst goaltending in Flames history.
The team itself is not the worst in history.
Also, look where a huge chunk of that cap spending is being distributed. It's all on veteran depth players who aren't very good, or out right terrible. I'd be more concerned if the big bulk of that was being spent on our "future" core while the team was still terrible, like up north in Edmonton.
Wideman, Smid, Raymond, Engelland, Stajan, Bollig, and two goalies who were putrid. All of those expire this off season or next except Stajan. That alone makes the fact the Flames were a cap team this year a non-factor going forward.
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03-12-2016, 04:55 PM
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#735
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by the2bears
Quit being vague. Spit it out... what do you think is wrong?
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The team is considerably worse than the sum of the parts.
Either the Flames fans and management have vastly overrated the talent of the players..... disproved by Russell doing so well in Dallas, or the coaching staff is not getting the team to play to their potential or a combination of the two.
How can this roster be so bad? There are a whole pile of players who would be impact players (or at least core players) on other teams.....
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Kevin Lowe April 2013 link
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03-12-2016, 04:57 PM
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Russell is the new Byron
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Johnny eats garbage and isn’t 100% committed.
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03-12-2016, 04:58 PM
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#737
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Feb 2012
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ricardodw
The team is considerably worse than the sum of the parts.
Either the Flames fans and management have vastly overrated the talent of the players..... disproved by Russell doing so well in Dallas, or the coaching staff is not getting the team to play to their potential or a combination of the two.
How can this roster be so bad? There are a whole pile of players who would be impact players (or at least core players) on other teams.....
Kevin Lowe April 2013 link |
Roster isn't bad. Goaltending is. Simple
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03-12-2016, 05:06 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary, AB
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Originally Posted by MarkGio
What's the best case scenario for playoff matchups? Stars vs Preds?
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Minnesota is probably the best first round match-up for the Stars. Colorado is the second-best; and Nashville would be third-best. Chicago or St Louis would be the least-desirable.
Nashville is also the least-likely first-round opponent for the Stars. The Predators are unlikely to move up into the top-3 in the Central or to drop down into the second Wild Card spot, so they're almost guaranteed (unless something drastic happens over the final few weeks of the season) to play the winner of the Pacific in the first round.
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03-12-2016, 05:09 PM
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#739
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In the Sin Bin
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It's like arguing with a rock.
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03-12-2016, 05:12 PM
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#740
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by ricardodw
The team is considerably worse than the sum of the parts.
Either the Flames fans and management have vastly overrated the talent of the players..... disproved by Russell doing so well in Dallas, or the coaching staff is not getting the team to play to their potential or a combination of the two.
How can this roster be so bad? There are a whole pile of players who would be impact players (or at least core players) on other teams.....
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We are nothing like those Oilers teams or the young gun teams. As of right now, our core roster is at the moment.
Gaudreau-Monahan- X
X-Bennett- X
Frolik-Backlund-X
X-Bouma-X
Giordano-Brodie
Hamilton- X
X-X
X
As a barebones skeleton, it's pretty damn good. What's missing right now is the support around them. I'd argue that the four positions bolded are the difference between being a contender and a lottery team. All the others are exchangable.
As it's been talked to death here, we all know that the Flames #1 and #2 priorities this offseason are a goaltender and a big top six winger. If and when we get those positions solidified then we can give the room to our prospects to grow into the missing roles of our team (Namely a second top six winger and a top four defenseman.).
This team has a really bright future and I don't at all share the doom and gloom attitude from a rebuilding year of growing pains.
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