[News] TJ Brodie, Sam Bennett injured - both upper-body

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

I wish they waive Bollig and Jooris. Doubt anyone would claim them. Call up Hamilton and Shinkaruk. Id rather see them then these useless plugs.

Players can only be sent down after the deadline if they were recalled after the deadline, or if they're being sent down on a conditioning stint after returning from an injury.


They still have two regular recalls left, but they're not likely to use them until closer to the end of the season.

I suspect we'll be seeing more of these short-term injuries where guys could probably play if they had to, but won't so they can use emergency recalls.

[sureLoss]

Roger Millions @RogMillions
Hartley indicates Sam Bennett's upper body injury will be longer term than TJ Brodie. Hartley hopeful Brodie ready for STL Monday

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Roger Millions @RogMillions
Hartley indicates Sam Bennett's upper body injury will be longer term than TJ Brodie. Hartley hopeful Brodie ready for STL Monday

Hmmmm. We might need to burn a recall to grab another offensive forward so we aren't icing so many grinders.

[Vinny01]

Unfortunately this probably kills Bennetts outside chance of making team North America. If
He was able to get north of 20 goals and 40ptsmhe may have had a shot as a winger but this injury and the strong ply of Galchenyuk, Schiefele, and return of RNH really kills his shot IMO

[dieHARDflameZ]

I just hope it's not that shoulder again...

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Unfortunately this probably kills Bennetts outside chance of making team North America. If
He was able to get north of 20 goals and 40ptsmhe may have had a shot as a winger but this injury and the strong ply of Galchenyuk, Schiefele, and return of RNH really kills his shot IMO

Good. It's better to not go and risk and injury in nothing tournament right before the season.

[Da_Chief]

^ Please tell us again how you feel about the World Cup.

[IgiTang]

This maybe a blessing in disguise. Let Bennett heal up but also work on his leg strength. I feel he's shown everything he needs to this season.

His major weakness is leg strength as he's always falling down. If he misses the remainder of the season but now has 6 months to hit the gym hard and get on a proper diet ( hard to maintain body weight throuout a season for young guys) then we could see a healthy more beastly Bennett than ever before!

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

^ Please tell us again how you feel about the World Cup.

I think it'll be a sweet fun tournament. I just hope no Flames players go.

[hockey.modern]

What's Bennett's weight right now? If I recall, Bennett gained at least 8lbs of muscle during the offseason last year. If that happens again, he should be around the 200's for next season.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

I think it'll be a sweet fun tournament. I just hope no Flames players go.

I disagree. I would love nothing more than 4 Flames on the U24 team. Those are the brightest young stars in the league from Canada and the United States and having 4 of them from our team would be amazing. That is going to be the team that I think generates the most interest.

Still shocking that Ryan Muttay made thst team over Hamilton and Trouba. I feel a strong finish down the stretch and another 6-10pts should get Dougie on the final roster. Bennett needed a lot of help and this injury won't help at all

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I disagree. I would love nothing more than 4 Flames on the U24 team. Those are the brightest young stars in the league from Canada and the United States and having 4 of them from our team would be amazing. That is going to be the team that I think generates the most interest.

Still shocking that Ryan Muttay made thst team over Hamilton and Trouba. I feel a strong finish down the stretch and another 6-10pts should get Dougie on the final roster. Bennett needed a lot of help and this injury won't help at all

What if Gaudreau gets seriously injured at this tourney and misses the first half of next Flames season or more?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

What if Gaudreau gets seriously injured at this tourney and misses the first half of next Flames season or more?

What if he gets in a car accident when driving to the golf course this summer or tears a muscle working out?

I see this tournament as a way to really get players ready for the season. Injuries could happen and it will suck if the Flames lose a star player for the season due to this tournament but that shouldn't stop players from going or fans hoping to see their favorite players from their team competing.

It is hrs to argue the Flames are not on the cusp of being a top team when they would have by far the highest representation of players on the young stars team. I suspect Johnny will be on the top line with Monahan likely the second line centre. Dougie could wind up in the top 4 and if Bennett made it I would see him more as an energy winger than anything

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Still shocking that Ryan Muttay made thst team over Hamilton and Trouba. I feel a strong finish down the stretch and another 6-10pts should get Dougie on the final roster. Bennett needed a lot of help and this injury won't help at all

Well with Murray-Jones right now you've basically got a ready made pairing. Those guys are playing like a top pairing right now in CBJ. I haven't been the biggest Murray fan but its hard not to acknowledge how good that Murray-Jones pairing looks right now.

Hamilton is going to be a great player but he does not look like a top pairing d-man to me yet. So IMO Hamilton has the higher upside (which I guess is why I think some people are shocked) but I think Murray is the more developed player who's closer to having hit his ceiling. I mean they aren't saying they would take Hamilton over Murray if you were starting a new expansion team or something, this is just for one off tournament in half a year so Hamilton having a higher upside isn't relevant to the decision.

Rielly meanwhile is also playing right now as a top pairing d-man which Hamilton is not doing. I think both players have similar upsides but I think Rielly has put it all together this season and really stepped his game forward. Hamilton I think will put it all together in the next couple seasons and you see flashes of it all the time.

Anyways, that's my thoughts on that decision. Hamilton is a good young d-man with the potential to be a great young d-man. I think Murray, Jones, and Rielly have just developed slightly faster. Big d-men often take a bit longer to put it all together. I don't think it's a big slight on Hamilton.

[Vinny01]

Ideally hard to argue Murray is farther ahead than Hamilton at this point. Murray has 46 career points and Dougie has 114. Hamilton has played 100 more games, and has played bigger roles in his career. Dougie has played in a SCF while Murray has never played in the playoffs. If 25-30 games playing with Jones on a bottom feeder is going to Trump a 31pt second pairing season for Dougie (also on a bottom feeder) I don't get the rational. Maybe Chia wanted to get 2LHD and 2RHD off the start? I agree with the Rielly, Elblad, and even the Jones selections but do not see how Murrray could make the team?

I have Hamilton, Trouba, Ghost all ahead of him

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

What if Gaudreau gets seriously injured at this tourney and misses the first half of next Flames season or more?

The players are getting paid for this tournament. It means something to them.

The owners are getting paid for this tournament and it isn't counting towards hockey related revenue.

Both sides have skin in the game, and this argument is irrelevant. Gaudreau could be injured in pre season, game 1 or driving to the rink.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Yeah I think Murray being a left shot played a role. We are deep in right shooters. Plus you've got the instant chemistry with Murray-Jones as a very safe 2nd pairing. Sometimes Canada takes chemistry into account very heavily (see Kunitz on Canada, blech)

I just think right at this moment Murray is playing better in his own zone. It's not so much a matter of resumes IMO, it's who do you think is playing the best right now. I think it's also a matter of roles and strengths. What is Dougie right now really? He's a puck moving, two-way defensemen who likes to jump up and is strong on the powerplay. He still struggles a bit in his own zone and isn't as physical as you'd like him to be. Well we have access to a ton of that type of player IMO. If Dougie was more consistent defensively and more physical then I think he makes this team easily. But right now I think Murray is more reliable defensively and a better choice for the PK. We aren't going to be hurting for PP options IMO.

It's going to take a couple years for Dougie's defensive game to round out. Right now his strength is puck moving, jumping up and the power play and I think that role is being hotly contested with guys like Ekblad (power play point shot), Rielly, Jones, Gostisbehere, and Hanifin all competing with Dougie for that same role. If he was better defensively and more physical I think they take him an instant. But his role (two-way puck mover) and side (right shooter) are what we are deep in. He may still make it but I can see why he wasn't an automatic for those first few slots.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

What if he gets in a car accident when driving to the golf course this summer or tears a muscle working out?

They can't stop living life, and they have to work out to stay in shape. What they don't HAVE to do is play high level competitive hockey in the off-season.

I'm just playing Devils Advocate here, it is what it is, but I know I will be extremely disappointed if we lose any of the Flames star players for any length of time because of this tournament, because ultimately what I want to see is the Flames eventually win a Stanley Cup.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

What if Gaudreau gets seriously injured at this tourney and misses the first half of next Flames season or more?

Totally worth it.

Seriously though, that will happen to some team, guaranteed. At least when Tavares went down, it was for the Olympics. If a guy like Gaudreau goes down, it will have literally been for nothing.

[Jay Random]

This is one reason why I'm not that excited about the tournament. Players aren't going to go all-out and risk injury for a glorified All-Star game, not when they have to go right back to training camp and put their jobs on the line.

I suspect a lot of players will go into the tournament wrapped in bubble wrap, and when they come out, none of the bubbles will be broken.