2016 NFL Off-Season Thread

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Eagles either going wild in FA or gunning for that #1 pick next year. Nice to rid of horrible contracts but that roster is weak before these moves so that is a bad looking team unless they do a bunch in FA.

Seriously?

- Maxwell was being outplayed by both Rowe and Carroll (until his injury) by the end of the season.
- Murray was easily the worst RB on the roster
- Alonso was terrible and got overtaken by Hicks until Hicks hurt himself and went on IR

They're not a good team but none of these moves make them any worse, and they just freed up about $10M in cap space in the process.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

The Chip purge continues. Wish they hadn't thrown good money after bad with Sam but at least the rest of Chip's awful mistakes seem to be gone. Anyone left who should probably start packing?

Ryan Mathews is supposedly also being shopped. I would also expect them to cut Sanchez and draft a backup QB. Another possibility is Barwin, but I think they only move in a player for player deal.

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Ryan Mathews is supposedly also being shopped. I would also expect them to cut Sanchez and draft a backup QB. Another possibility is Barwin, but I think they only move in a player for player deal.

I don't think either of them are anchors that need to be moved. I'm a Barwin fan, definitely want him to stay. Matthews is whatever, not a giant contract and a good enough player. Philly does need another RB though, go CB in the draft and RB in free agency?

Read a rumour that they may swap 1sts with Miami in their trade. If that's true then Roseman is a Treliving level wizard.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Seriously?

- Maxwell was being outplayed by both Rowe and Carroll (until his injury) by the end of the season.
- Murray was easily the worst RB on the roster
- Alonso was terrible and got overtaken by Hicks until Hicks hurt himself and went on IR

They're not a good team but none of these moves make them any worse, and they just freed up about $10M in cap space in the process.

Well everyone knew Maxwell was a bad signing before he signed with anyone last year. We all knew it was a Seattle system CB, and that someone would overpay because CBs are of high value. Murray has a bad contract no doubt, but the only time he didn't perform well in his career, besides injuries, was last year. Chip I think it's fair to say badly misused him. Alonso is still on his rookie deal and had a great rookie year. Maybe he was awful last year, but giving up on him that fast doesn't seem wise. Maybe a new coach does better. I'd have kept him at least, because he's cheap and would be a FA next year anyways so if he sucks, he's out.

And I say this because I'm seeing the exact things I saw when the Bucs transitioned over from Schiano to Lovie. Trading a lot of "overpaid, bad" players...except when it happened with the Bucs, they replaced those overpaid, bad players with even worse players through FA...and the players they dumped suddenly played significantly better elsewhere. You can't undervalue leaving a crappy organization/coaching structure. If the Eagles stay out of FA, I think they'll be ok. Given the contract Roseman gave to Bradford, I'd want them staying the hell out of FA. But if he goes in...I'd be deeply worried as an Eagles fans, given the Bradford contract.

[Senator Clay Davis]

"Let me begin by apologizing for making this announcement via a statement and not in person. While I truly respect the significance of this, those who know me best will understand and not be surprised that I choose not to have a press conference for this announcement.

"After much prayer, thought and discussion with loved ones, I have made the difficult decision to retire from the Lions and pro football. I have played my last game of football.

"Let me assure you that this was not an easy or hasty decision. As I stated, I, along with those closest to me, have put a lot of time, deliberation and prayer into this decision and I truly am at peace with it.

"I also want you to know that I have the utmost respect and admiration for the game of football. It has provided so much for me and my family and I will be forever grateful to the game.

"With the reality of my decision, I realize there are a lot of people I would like to thank. I must start with my family – thank you for all your love and support.

"I also want to especially thank Mrs. Ford and the Ford Family for all their support over the years. They are tremendous owners and I loved playing for them. I would also like to recognize Mr. Ford, who I was honored to know and play for before he passed away.

"While it would be hard to name them all, I would also like to thank all of my teammates past and present.

"I also want to thank all of my coaches who I played for, in particular Coach Caldwell for his support, wisdom and guidance over the past two seasons. I loved playing for Coach Caldwell.

"There are so many other people I would like to recognize and thank for what they have done for me throughout my career, but rather than risk forgetting someone, I will simply say "thanks" to everyone.

"And finally, to the fans of Detroit and Michigan. I so appreciated your passionate support over the years and truly enjoyed playing for you. I loved playing in Detroit and will forever be a Lion. My biggest regret is that I wasn't able to help give our fans a championship. But I do believe the future of the Lions is bright and with the leadership from people like Rod Wood and Bob Quinn, who I have gotten to know over the past few months, I am confident that our fans will soon be rewarded with the championship you deserve.

"From the bottom of my heart I thank you all for everything."

http://www.detroitlions.com/news/art...5-8786e332a224

[Pagal4321]

As a Vikings fan, this makes me happy. As a football fan, this makes me sad.

[Galakanokis]

Hard to complain to much about the Eagles moves so far. The Bradford signing is questionable no doubt but it's a two year deal with an east out. Dumping Murray and Maxwell is awesome, just wasted roster space and money. I could have kept Alonso but not sad to see him go. I think there is a Detroit linebacker of two lined up to play with Schwartz again.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Broncos release Owen Daniels, Louis Vazquez and Aaron Brewer to clear cap space. I would expect a huge Von Miller deal to be announced soon. I will respectfully disagree with Res, and he knows I am biased, but not signing Osweiler would be a complete disaster. As long as the money isn't crazy, the Broncos MUST get that deal done and I expect they will.

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Broncos release Owen Daniels, Louis Vazquez and Aaron Brewer to clear cap space. I would expect a huge Von Miller deal to be announced soon. I will respectfully disagree with Res, and he knows I am biased, but not signing Osweiler would be a complete disaster. As long as the money isn't crazy, the Broncos MUST get that deal done and I expect they will.

I don't dislike Brock, I just think with the market as it is his pay will be far beyond his value. Let Houston give him the moon and sign Fitzpatrick to a similar (cheaper) deal. Draft and develop another QB.

I think keeping Trevaythan is more important to the team. Hopefully he's getting a deal. Underrated piece of that defence.

Malik Jackson off to Florida 6 years 90 mil in Jacksonville? Maybe he can bunk with Julius Thomas. Happy trails bud. Time for Sly Williams to step up.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

I don't dislike Brock, I just think with the market as it is his pay will be far beyond his value. Let Houston give him the moon and sign Fitzpatrick to a similar (cheaper) deal. Draft and develop another QB.

I think keeping Trevaythan is more important to the team. Hopefully he's getting a deal. Underrated piece of that defence.

Malik Jackson off to Florida 6 years 90 mil in Jacksonville? Maybe he can bunk with Julius Thomas. Happy trails bud. Time for Sly Williams to step up.

I think that's par for the course for Quarterbacks though. The other thing is, there isn't a QB in this draft I'd waste a pick on thinking he was likely to be a franchise guy.

Agree completely about Trevathan.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Murray has a bad contract no doubt, but the only time he didn't perform well in his career, besides injuries, was last year. Chip I think it's fair to say badly misused him.

Murray's bad year was predicted by just about every single NFL analyst out there. The Cowboys basically ran him into the ground the year before and he had no legs last year. I don't know that it's fair to say that Chip misused him because Mathews, Sproles, and Barner all performed better than him in the same offense.

Alonso is still on his rookie deal and had a great rookie year. Maybe he was awful last year, but giving up on him that fast doesn't seem wise. Maybe a new coach does better. I'd have kept him at least, because he's cheap and would be a FA next year anyways so if he sucks, he's out.

He's also coming off multiple knee surgeries and it's just as likely that his rookie year was an outlier. Additionally, as I said, he'd have been third on the depth chart behind Hicks and Kendricks. If he goes on to recover and become great player then so be it, but if not then it's better to get something for him this year than lose him for nothing next year. I'd also wager that he was thrown in to make taking on Maxwell's contract more palatable.

If the Eagles stay out of FA, I think they'll be ok. Given the contract Roseman gave to Bradford, I'd want them staying the hell out of FA. But if he goes in...I'd be deeply worried as an Eagles fans, given the Bradford contract.

Meh, the Bradford contract is only for two years and he would've gotten that or more on the open market. Is he getting paid too much? Probably, but it's not like there were better options awaiting the Eagles in FA, and the draft is looking pretty iffy for QBs this year.

Howie's track record in FA is a mixed bag, but I think he learned big time from the Dream Team fiasco. They absolutely need to spend in FA, but they need to be smart and go after the low-risk, high-reward types and address the holes in the secondary and on the offensive line. Signing McKelvin to a two-year deal today looks like a solid opening move.

[rubecube]

Just saw a rumour that the Eagles/Dolphins trade basically works out like this:

To MIA Alonso, Maxwell, 1st (13th overall)
To PHI 1st (8th overall), 4th

That's an absolute steal for the Eagles if true. I'm containing my enthusiasm though until I see it finalized.

[Galakanokis]

Eagles signed Bills corner McKelvin to a two year deal. Probably a slot corner but Schwartz is familiar with him so he might move around. I think you see the Eagles grab a LB or two and a veteran wideout in free agency, I think they will be active.

[transplant99]

Defensive end Malik Jackson confirmed to ESPN's Josina Anderson on Tuesday that a report he is leaving the Denver Broncos to join the Jacksonville Jaguars is true and he has agreed to a deal with Jacksonville.

A league source told ESPN's Michael DiRocco that Jackson's deal is for six years and worth $90 million, averaging $15 million per season. NFL Network had earlier reported terms of the contract.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14...nville-jaguars

[devo22]

Raiders sign both Kelechi Osemele and Bruce Irvin, wow ...

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Just saw a rumour that the Eagles/Dolphins trade basically works out like this:

To MIA Alonso, Maxwell, 1st (13th overall)
To PHI 1st (8th overall), 4th

That's an absolute steal for the Eagles if true. I'm containing my enthusiasm though until I see it finalized.

Or...

The Miami Dolphins are considering backing out of a trade agreed to earlier this week with the Eagles because of their concern about a shoulder injury suffered by cornerback Byron Maxwell, league sources told ESPN's Ed Werder and Chris Mortensen.

The Dolphins were to acquire Maxwell and linebacker Kiko Alonso from the Eagles for draft-pick compensation, but the trade was contingent upon Maxwell and Alonso passing physicals and could not be official before the league's new year opened at 4 p.m. ET Wednesday.

As of Tuesday night, sources said the Dolphins considered the trade dead because of their medical staff's concern over Maxwell's injury, which forced him to finish the 2015 season on injured reserve. If they go through with the trade, the Dolphins would be inheriting a huge contract for Maxwell, who signed a six-year, $63 million deal with the Eagles as a free agent last season.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14...ng-kiko-alonso

That would be brutal for the Eagles. More than likely to make this happen the compensation will have to increase for Miami.

[Pagal4321]

Jacksonville and Oakland have a TON of money to spend ($73 million and $72 million under the cap, respectively) so it won't be a surprise when details emerge of their crazy contracts!

[Senator Clay Davis]

This is the first year the cap floor actually comes into effect (i.e. teams can't carry over cap space), so we're going to see a lot of contracts that seem stupid because teams have to overpay. I'm not sure where the Giants qualify on that list in terms of the floor, but giving Janoris Jenkins $12 million a season certainly qualifies as a stupid contract. CBs now get as overpaid as QBs it seems.

Like how does Derek Wolfe feel? I'm sure he's glad to be in Denver and he got paid well, but he probably could have earned more than twice as much on the open market seeing what Malik Jackson got. Lots of money this year with the cap going up too

[swo2k1]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Or...



http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14...ng-kiko-alonso

That would be brutal for the Eagles. More than likely to make this happen the compensation will have to increase for Miami.

According to the twitterverse the deal is back on.

[ResAlien]

Rumour floated by Ian Rapoport that if the Broncos lose Brock to the Texans they'll trade for Kaepernick. I could live with that.

Also as rumoured the Eagles will sign Chase Daniels. Hopefully he beats out Bradford