Hugo Chavez calls Bush "The Devil"

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald

So, if you're hungry which is better? Being able to stand in line at some swanky restaurant for three hours in hopes that you can get a great meal (so you've heard anyways) only to be turned away at the door because you don't have a jacket and tie, or being able to walk into lesser establishment, get seated immediately and get a good meal that fills your belly?

Every citizen in Venezuela has access to healthcare and competant doctors. There are 40 million Americans who do not have insurance and cannot access the healthcare system. That is 13 million more than the population of Venezuela. Having guaranteed access to healthcare is a helluva lot better than having access to nothing.



Yes, I guess Chaves should have instead spoke to the "Axis of Evil" and mentioned the "evil doers" and let the United Nations know that he is doing "God''s work" and that "God is directing him" and that the nations of the world are either "with the America or with the terrorists".

(As Reza Aslan increduously said after hearing that last jewel, "we sure as hell aren't with you [Bush] so... ???")

I love how one guy can spew all of the retoric and hyperbole he wants, while lying his ass off, and gets away with it, but someone pokes fun at that and he gets demonized. Too bad no one bothered to read the text of the speech. He made some really good points. But don't bother worrying about context, just worry about that 30 second sound bite that keeps us westerners so informed.





Chavez was technically not in America, he was at the UN, which is international land. Also, American presidents have routinely bashed leaders of other countries from the same pulpit, so your point is moot. And you want to talk about violent acts? The CIA has already tried (unsuccessfully) to whack Chavez in his own country. They also restricted his security detail to the plane while Chavez spoke at the UN. Seems to me that Chavez displayed a helluva set of balls to make the speech he did unprotected. Bush can't take a crap without having someone test the toilet paper for surface poisons first.



You would, would you. Pretty easy to say for someone living in Canada who has ZERO idea of either system. You'd love the US system. You'd have your heart attack, end up in the hospital, be released four days later, and then get a bill for $45K (one of my co-workers when through this exact scenario about eight months ago). You'd immediately have another heart attack from seeing the bill and drop dead. Yup, it's a great system. Any system that can put you into bankruptcy because you get sick is not only broken, but useless. The idea of healthcare is to preserve life. That includes quality of life.



General healthcare. You know, the things that we would normally require in our every day lives. Canadians don't realize how good they have it when they can walk into a clinic and not have to worry about shelling out a crap load of money out of their pocket. I had to take my wife to see someone out of our network a couple weeks ago because her back was killing her. It cost us $125 just to walk in the door and then another $70 in prescription meds. She saw the "doctor" for less than two minutes, yet he was able to make a diagnosis on the spot like that. Yup, great system.



Oh my God, now my avatar is going to create controversy??? Azure's avatar has two guys with guns! That means he's a thug with a possey that's going to kill anyone that comes near him!!! RUN FOR YOUR ****ING LIVES!!!! It's a freakin' graphic from one of my favorite movies and one I use with another online handle. I also have one that I used during the playoffs with the Stanley Cup in it (does that make the Stanley Cup the actual Holy Grail now becauise it showed up in my avatar???) so does that have some hidden meaning too??? Yes, hard to believe that I would actually label someone a moron or an idiot (both clinical terms for someone with an IQ under 75 and 50 respectively IIRC, btw) for their thought processes.

Ok Lanny go to Venz then to see a doctor. I am sure their cancer facilities are superior than US or Canada. They probably have the best experimental treatment as well, so go there then.

[MatsNaslund]

Originally Posted by Sowa

Yeah way to love a guy who is trying to become a dictator of his country and has way to much power over his people. I am no fan of Bush, but Chavez is taking a very dangerous path towards totalitarianism...

Chavez was democratically elected. Bush wasn't the first time around. He only got the Rep. nomination because of his daddy's time in power. He himself had one stint as Cali. gov. Before that he was known as somoene involved in the oil industry and it is true that Bush was an alcoholic. He himself admitted it in past interviews. During the first election, Bush lucked out with a cousin at Fox, Brother being gov. in Florida and Katherine Harris. If Gore hadn't conceded he'd be presdient today. Second time around Bush lucked out with a mediocre opponent in John Kerry. So Bush's not one to talk bout democracy.

Bush's government had been covertly (to get to Venezuela's OIL) trying to have Chavez killed and/or removed from power for quite some time. So excuse the guy for not exactly feeling good about Bush. He has really made a personal cause out of Anti-Americanism worldwide. He's best friends with Iran's democratically elected leader who also spoke a the UN. Chavez has become friends with just about any other country who also hates Bush.

[HOZ]

Originally Posted by MatsNaslund

Chavez was democratically elected. Bush wasn't the first time around. He only got the Rep. nomination because of his daddy's time in power. He himself had one stint as Cali. gov. Before that he was known as somoene involved in the oil industry and it is true that Bush was an alcoholic. He himself admitted it in past interviews. During the first election, Bush lucked out with a cousin at Fox, Brother being gov. in Florida and Katherine Harris. If Gore hadn't conceded he'd be presdient today. Second time around Bush lucked out with a mediocre opponent in John Kerry. So Bush's not one to talk bout democracy.

Bush's government had been covertly (to get to Venezuela's OIL) trying to have Chavez killed and/or removed from power for quite some time. So excuse the guy for not exactly feeling good about Bush. He has really made a personal cause out of Anti-Americanism worldwide. He's best friends with Iran's democratically elected leader who also spoke a the UN. Chavez has become friends with just about any other country who also hates Bush.

This is a load of Michael Mooreish dung.

If Venezuela wanted to cut the Americans out they could since Chevez has nationalised the Oil industry. They would be cutting their own throats as the USA is their biggest consumer.

So getting their hands on all that Venezuelan oil is not a problem as the USA already buys most of it.



For the rest hmmmmm. A bit too much "Bush is the cause of all evil in the world" itis

[Devils'Advocate]

This thread may have gotten a little off topic, but I'll add my two cents anyway.

I agree with Jon Stewart. This outburst really helps Bush. Chavez is doing George a big favour here. Jon's point was that it paints all those with a legitimate beef against Bush's policies as crackpots. Americans will hear Chavez, think "hey, what an idiot" and then go "I guess you have to be an idiot to hate Bush."

Furthermore, Americans seem to have this US (no pun intended) against the world mentality. They see the Republicans as the party that will stand up to their enemies (the rest of the world) and the Democrats as the party that would appease the enemies (again, the rest of the world). When you have another world leader spitting on the president, they see that as another attack on their country.

Odd as it may be, being called "The Devil" is probably going to do wonders for his approval rating.

[White Doors]

Originally Posted by MatsNaslund

Chavez was democratically elected. Bush wasn't the first time around. He only got the Rep. nomination because of his daddy's time in power. He himself had one stint as Cali. gov. Before that he was known as somoene involved in the oil industry and it is true that Bush was an alcoholic. He himself admitted it in past interviews. During the first election, Bush lucked out with a cousin at Fox, Brother being gov. in Florida and Katherine Harris. If Gore hadn't conceded he'd be presdient today. Second time around Bush lucked out with a mediocre opponent in John Kerry. So Bush's not one to talk bout democracy.

Bush's government had been covertly (to get to Venezuela's OIL) trying to have Chavez killed and/or removed from power for quite some time. So excuse the guy for not exactly feeling good about Bush. He has really made a personal cause out of Anti-Americanism worldwide. He's best friends with Iran's democratically elected leader who also spoke a the UN. Chavez has become friends with just about any other country who also hates Bush.

Just WOW. Bush was never the governor of California.
If you can get something so basic and well known wrong, then it does make sense that you have such a warped view of the world. It has been proven that the USA had nothing to do with the Coup attempt in 2002. Nothing. In fact, they warned Chavez about it.

Never mind, don't let facts get in the way.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by MatsNaslund

Chavez was democratically elected. Bush wasn't the first time around. He only got the Rep. nomination because of his daddy's time in power. He himself had one stint as Cali. gov.

Before that he was known as somoene involved in the oil industry and it is true that Bush was an alcoholic. He himself admitted it in past interviews. During the first election, Bush lucked out with a cousin at Fox, Brother being gov. in Florida and Katherine Harris. If Gore hadn't conceded he'd be presdient today. Second time around Bush lucked out with a mediocre opponent in John Kerry. So Bush's not one to talk bout democracy.

I guess if Kerry hadn't conceded he'd be President too?

Bush's government had been covertly (to get to Venezuela's OIL) trying to have Chavez killed and/or removed from power for quite some time. So excuse the guy for not exactly feeling good about Bush. He has really made a personal cause out of Anti-Americanism worldwide. He's best friends with Iran's democratically elected leader who also spoke a the UN. Chavez has become friends with just about any other country who also hates Bush.

Link? Evidence?

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by Azure

For someone who thought Arabs live in Afghanistan you're pretty quick to laugh at the mistakes of others.

[kipperfan]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Ok Lanny go to Venz then to see a doctor. I am sure their cancer facilities are superior than US or Canada. They probably have the best experimental treatment as well, so go there then.

Unreal. You just dont get it do you? Did you read Lanny's post all? Yeah maybe the american cancer facilities are superior to that off Venezuela, but the point is moot if a large majority of people CAN NOT EVER ACCESS THEM OR ANY OTHER FORM OF HEALTH CARE TREATMENT.

Get it yet???!!!

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by kipperfan

Unreal. You just dont get it do you? Did you read Lanny's post all? Yeah maybe the american cancer facilities are superior to that off Venezuela, but the point is moot if a large majority of people CAN NOT EVER ACCESS THEM OR ANY OTHER FORM OF HEALTH CARE TREATMENT.

Get it yet???!!!

Yeah, I think some people equate 'best healthcare' with 'best healthcare facilities'. Just because the US can afford cutting edge cancer treatments doesn't mean much if many, many poor Americans can't afford to get the treatment. 'Healthcare', when talking about a country, should have accessibility as its first priority. I'd rather get standard care than not be able to afford superior care. Coverage is a huge issue when considering the quality of a state's healthcare system. Huge.

[FlamingLonghorn]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

For someone who thought Arabs live in Afghanistan you're pretty quick to laugh at the mistakes of others.

Arabs do live in Afghanistan. Pashtuns only make up 2/5ths the population.

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by Sowa

Arabs do live in Afghanistan. Pashtuns only make up 2/5ths the population.

Thats not what the CIA world factbook says...

Afghanistan;

Pashtun 42%, Tajik 27%, Hazara 9%, Uzbek 9%, Aimak 4%, Turkmen 3%, Baloch 2%, other 4%

As compared to Saudi Arabia;

Arab 90%, Afro-Asian 10%

So... no, Arabs do not live in Afghanistan, according to the CIA.

[FlamingLonghorn]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

Thats not what the CIA world factbook says...

Afghanistan;

Pashtun 42%, Tajik 27%, Hazara 9%, Uzbek 9%, Aimak 4%, Turkmen 3%, Baloch 2%, other 4%

As compared to Saudi Arabia;

Arab 90%, Afro-Asian 10%

So... no, Arabs do not live in Afghanistan, according to the CIA.

So you're are telling me no Arabs live in Afghanistan? Bin Laden is an Arab there's one.

What you're saying is akin to saying no Arab's live in the US when in fact they do...

Also 42% is pretty close to 2/5ths.

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by Sowa

So you're are telling me no Arabs live in Afghanistan? Bin Laden is an Arab there's one.

No, Azure believed that Afghanistan was an Arab nation in another thread, which is wrong. Afghanistan is not an Arab nation. There are Arabs in Canada, are you telling me that Canada is an Arab nation?

What you're saying is akin to saying no Arab's live in the US when in fact they do...

We were talking about the ethnic makeup of Afghanistan. The assumption was made that it was an 'Arab' country. Its not. Just because some Arabs live in a place does not make that place 'Arab'.

Also 42% is pretty close to 2/5ths.

So who's saying its not?

[FlamingLonghorn]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

No, Azure believed that Afghanistan was an Arab nation in another thread, which is wrong. Afghanistan is not an Arab nation. There are Arabs in Canada, are you telling me that Canada is an Arab nation?


We were talking about the ethnic makeup of Afghanistan. The assumption was made that it was an 'Arab' country. Its not. Just because some Arabs live in a place does not make that place 'Arab'.


So who's saying its not?

I never said it was an Arab country I just said Arabs lived there. You are the one who said I was wrong.

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by Sowa

I never said it was an Arab country I just said Arabs lived there. You are the one who said I was wrong.

Ok, you jumped in on a debate that started in another thread. The assertion was made that Afghanistan was an Arab country. It's not. Are we on the same page now? Arabs live there just like Arabs live in Japan, Canada, etc. Despite this, Afghanistan is not an Arab country.

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by Sowa

Arabs do live in Afghanistan. Pashtuns only make up 2/5ths the population.

And when you say this, it sounds an awful lot like you're implying that Arabs make up a significant portion of the remaining 3/5ths... otherwise I'm not sure why you'd have said it.

You said this in response to my statement to another poster. My initial position was never 'no Arabs live in Afghanistan', thats a mistake on your part, mostly for not knowing the origins of the debate.

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthread.php?t=30106

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

For someone who thought Arabs live in Afghanistan you're pretty quick to laugh at the mistakes of others.

Arabs do live in Afghanistan...but the country isn't classified as an Arab Country.

http://countrystudies.us/afghanistan/44.htm

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by Azure

Arabs do live in Afghanistan...but the country isn't classified as an Arab Country.

http://countrystudies.us/afghanistan/44.htm

Arabs live in Japan, but it is not classified as an Arab country. The origins of this was your assumption that Afghanistan was an Arab nation. You can definitely water down that statement to 'some Arabs live in Afghanistan', but thats a far-cry from your initial presumption.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by Azure

Link? Evidence?

I can't find the link, but a CIA analyst came forward and admitted that the US had operations to take out both Saddam Hussein and Chavez. I can't remember the operation names off the top of my head. I'll see if I can dig them up.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by HOZ

If Venezuela wanted to cut the Americans out they could since Chevez has nationalised the Oil industry. They would be cutting their own throats as the USA is their biggest consumer.

Yes, because the two emerging markets of India and China would not be a market that would eat up those exports and then some. A market of potentially 2.5 billion people versus 330 million. Yeah, Venezuela is screwed without the US market.