"Thanks for deigning us worthy to play with. Heres some popcorn. Dont let your ass get too sore from constant sitting."
An AHL coach Vs. 3rd overall draft pick...maybe thats what he should say but if he likes his job he should do everything in his power to get the guy playing and putting up numbers
It's not punishment for him. It's more to show everyone else that there is no special treatment, and to reward the loyalty of the other players by not playing this primadonna that sat out for his own selfish reasons ahead of guys who have been working all year.
That's pretty much the definition of special treatment.
I would sit him for at least a week, then he only draws in if there is a disruption to lineup through injury or he is training exceptionally well.
Heck, use Drouin to motivate the guys on the team - you keep playing and he sits as long as you play well
Honestly, if the Lightning were to pull something like that, they would deserve to be trashed every bit as much for being petty, selfish and stupid as Drouin rightfully was for walking out in the first place.
That's pretty much the definition of special treatment.
No it's not. Would any other player on the farm be able to sit out and just come back into the line up whenever they want?
It's not special treatment. They've played this long without him, now you're going to bump a guy, send someone to the ECHL who may not deserve it, so you can dress this guy who abandoned everyone in a very public display? Treat him like any other prospect (which he is).
IMO, he's lucky they are even allowing him back. If it wasn't for his potential trade value, I suspect Yzerman would have told him to pound sand and stay home.
IMO, he's lucky they are even allowing him back. If it wasn't for his potential trade value, I suspect Yzerman would have told him to pound sand and stay home.
No he's not lucky, he has a valid contract and if he chooses to honour it they HAVE to unsuspend him. They can't tell him to pound sand and stay home if he wants to come back, that isn't even an option they can consider.
No he's not lucky, he has a valid contract and if he chooses to honour it they HAVE to unsuspend him. They can't tell him to pound sand and stay home if he wants to come back, that isn't even an option they can consider.
They have to unsuspend him, that doesn't mean they have to play or dress him.
An AHL coach Vs. 3rd overall draft pick...maybe thats what he should say but if he likes his job he should do everything in his power to get the guy playing and putting up numbers
They the AHL Affiliate but the Lightning dont own them and if he ever wants to be more than just an AHL coach then he has to learn to deal with star players and egos.
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They have to unsuspend him, that doesn't mean they have to play or dress him.
It's in their best interest to play him and showcase him for other teams so they can move forward on a trade this offseason. Being petulant and benching him accomplishes nothing good for their organization that I can see.
They the AHL Affiliate but the Lightning dont own them and if he ever wants to be more than just an AHL coach then he has to learn to deal with star players and egos.
And you demonstrate that by getting the most out of them.
Going MattyC's route - basically turning renegade and acting against the parent team's wishes - is the surest way for the coach to ensure he never rises above the AHL.
It's in their best interest to play him and showcase him for other teams so they can move forward on a trade this offseason. Being petulant and benching him accomplishes nothing good for their organization that I can see.
This is exactly what I said in my post that you originally quoted. If it wasn't for his trade value, I suspect Yzerman would tell him to pound sand.
Of course they want to maximize their return for him, and thus its prudent to play him. Which is why I and others, suggest that dressing him but not playing him, at least for a game, may send the desired message to him. Maybe not. But it's not rooted in pettiness. It's rooted in maintaining a team dynamic, something which Drouin has shown he has no interest in.
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And you demonstrate that by getting the most out of them.
Going MattyC's route - basically turning renegade and acting against the parent team's wishes - is the surest way for the coach to ensure he never rises above the AHL.
The Lightning already sent the "desired message" by suspending him without pay and by failing to rush to trade him to their own detriment. What on earth do you think an underhanded one+ game team suspension (and that is precisely what you are proposing) will accomplish or prove?
Sorry, MattyC, but your attitude is very much rooted in pettiness.
You don't need to send messages to Drouin. You're in the middle of a divorce with him basically. Get his trade value up and get rid of him as soon as possible.
Are you sure its not rooted in pettiness because despite your denial it sure sounds like it is.
And you demonstrate that by getting the most out of them.
Going MattyC's route - basically turning renegade and acting against the parent team's wishes - is the surest way for the coach to ensure he never rises above the AHL.
Sure, absolutely. But you also have to maintain the structure of the team and the room not pandering to a kid because hes a high draft pick.
Once hes served his punishment for being a dick hes more than welcome to work his way back onto the roster.
Its not like he was lighting the AHL on fire or anything when he was playing so his position on the team was probably precarious at best to begin with then he decided to pout.
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They the AHL Affiliate but the Lightning dont own them and if he ever wants to be more than just an AHL coach then he has to learn to deal with star players and egos.
You honestly think the Lightning have no say in the matter? because they do. If Stevie Y tells you to do something you do it. Drouin will be playing and playing a lot...its reality in pro sports. If he was some average talent he would be long gone but he was picked 3rd overall for a reason and will get many chances.
You honestly think the Lightning have no say in the matter? because they do. If Stevie Y tells you to do something you do it. Drouin will be playing and playing a lot...its reality in pro sports. If he was some average talent he would be long gone but he was picked 3rd overall for a reason and will get many chances.
Okay, I'm not saying that Yzerman has no say, of course he does. And further I'm not saying that they should never let the kid play hockey again.
All I've said is that they need to manage their team dynamic and not just hand the 1st line RW keys back to Drouin because hes Drouin.
Like you said, 3rd overall draft pick, he'll get lots of chances but not all of those chances are going to be handed to him for free.
He's kissed and made up with the Tampa Bay Lightning, apparently, now he has to do the same with the Crunch and his teammates in whatever capacity they feel is required.
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My opinion is not rooted in pettiness. As Locke pointed out above, you have to maintain the team dynamic and putting him in right away after all this to me disrupts that and potentially disenfranchises your other prospects (the ones you actually care about now).
But, I suppose, it's not in the Lightning's interest anymore to try and correct Drouin's behaviour, that's going to fall to the team that ultimately ends up with him, so why waste your time/energy on it.
My opinion is not rooted in pettiness. As Locke pointed out above, you have to maintain the team dynamic and putting him in right away after all this to me disrupts that and potentially disenfranchises your other prospects (the ones you actually care about now).
But, I suppose, it's not in the Lightning's interest anymore to try and correct Drouin's behaviour, that's going to fall to the team that ultimately ends up with him, so why waste your time/energy on it.
And as to my point before, the Crunch are Tampa's AHL Affiliate but its not all Lightning players, some of those guys are still going to be there long after Drouin is gone regardless of whether they're NHL prospects, Tampa's prospects or otherwise.
The Crunch also have to do whats best for their team moving forward.
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Okay, I'm not saying that Yzerman has no say, of course he does. And further I'm not saying that they should never let the kid play hockey again.
All I've said is that they need to manage their team dynamic and not just hand the 1st line RW keys back to Drouin because hes Drouin.
Like you said, 3rd overall draft pick, he'll get lots of chances but not all of those chances are going to be handed to him for free.
He's kissed and made up with the Tampa Bay Lightning, apparently, now he has to do the same with the Crunch and his teammates in whatever capacity they feel is required.
The thing about "team dynamic" is that it is not all that relevant in the minor leagues. The AHL exists for the development and promotion of prospects. That development takes precedence. Sometimes, it takes precedence even over winning.
And that is even the case here where the AHL team is separately owned.
The Lightning made it clear that Drouin is welcome back. He's agreed to come back. The only thing that would hold him out of his team's next game is an honest lack of conditioning. There is no chance the team even considers holding him out as a further punishment.
