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Originally Posted by Inglewood Jack

and I just realized, there's already a MacManus brother on site!

one more thing...are the Wolves done? or are they gonna come back and be a wild card? they seemed to be some sort of weird feral group that doesn't participate in the local economy, yet they're organized enough to set up elaborate zombie truck traps. I'd be perplexed if they ended up being nothing since it took so long to set them up.

I could see the Wolves being tied to Negan's group somehow.

If you don't quite make the cut for the main group, you either die or become one of the wolves. Would explain why they're such a bunch of nut jobs. Either that or they're in some kind of death cult. Even then, that doesn't explain how a group like that could actually survive and perpetuate without some kind of higher level organization.

It also seems strange that Negan would allow a group like that to run a amuck in his territory.

And yes, of course the satellite place is just a smaller outpost for Negan's group. That could not have been more obvious.

[Otto-matic]

Did anyone see those photos Glenn and Heath were looking at? Dang that was brutal.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Yeah, brains all over the place. Every picture with a head smashed in.

[Nyah]

The guy that Glenn killed that had the photos on the wall: were those of walkers, or living people that he had killed? Regardless, to put those up as decoration is pretty telling as to the kind of people these guys are.

Edit, and literally just mentioned as I was posting!

[Otto-matic]

Originally Posted by Nyah

The guy that Glenn killed that had the photos on the wall: were those of walkers, or living people that he had killed? Regardless, to put those up as decoration is pretty telling as to the kind of people these guys are.

Edit, and literally just mentioned as I was posting!

I would have to say its living people, I don't think smashed in walker heads would really be that shocking to anyone else coming across those photos.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Ok, I binged this half season and here are my thoughts:

1st episode: That felt like a palate cleanser. Spent a long time dealing with whether or not the Alexandrians are ready, and lots of internal conflicts in the group, and then resolved it all in one episode. I know they offed Deanna last episode, but it truly became Rick's group again after everyone chips in to rid the town of zombies and take back their town. Rick's long love story that nobody cared about is kaput, along with both her kids who are annoying. Great! Now we can move the story forward. That's what that episode was all about: Establishing how Alexandria was going to survive moving forward, and that it will indeed survive because everyone wants it to and is willing to do the hard stuff to make it so. Zombies are essentially a distraction now.

2) Sleepy episode that introduces us to a fantastic new character (Jesus) who is apparently a ####ing ninja. Awesome. We've had a samurai for a while now, and now we get a bonafide ninja! That should come in handy. Plus, he's a super mellow and nice guy who belongs to a group that will expand the universe. Create lots of good news for members of the group just to keep people invested in their survival.

3) Meet the new group and discover that they're essentially Alexandrians with much better food resources. They should have been offed a long time ago, yet have survived by cutting a deal with a menacing group. Instant kinship between the Hilltoppers and Alexandrians, even if their leader is a bit of a dick. The beginning of a coalition that could lead to several more groups joining forces for the benefit of all.

4) HOLY ####BALLS! That episode was dark, cold-blooded, and altogether necessary to progress the story line. Yes, that was Glenn's first kill of an actual human. Loved the pathos there. It's become evident that Rick's group might be the most vicious and calculating of all the groups out there, simply based on the need to survive. I enjoyed seeing Gabriel transition into a warrior-priest, rather than just a pacifist-priest. For those that don't like Morgan, he remains as the lone moral objection in the show that asks us to reconsider whether this is right or necessary. Remember the whole episode where he comes back to humanity because of the compassion of a stranger who refused to kill him? From there, everything else is possible for him, "as long as there is life". That kind of experience will deeply change someone and I doubt he'll ever quit being that voice. Perhaps he will become the only reasonable voice at some point and it might change things in a meaningful way.

Basically, the show has no use for zombies anymore as an antagonist. They can be disposed of even if there are massive hordes that seem overwhelming. The story has now become one of tribal warfare, and gives indications of what conditions may have looked like at the beginning of mankind and society. Pretty interesting stuff, and very entertaining to boot!

[Fuzz]

Morgan can keep mumbling about the sanctity of life for all I care, just do it off camera. Every scene with him is like sitting through a teeth cleaning after 10 years of neglect. It may be necessary, but get it over with and give me my lolly!

[J Diddy]

I thought it was pretty lame to make it look like Jesus was going to be BA in this episode..."They won't see me" *pulls up ninja mask*...instead he just kills a guy who is going to die anyway.

I would have preferred it if they made us think the episode was going to end with a cliff hanger after the girls are caught...but instead, after you hear the bad guys say they have the girls, you hear over the walkie talkie someone choking on their blood and then a gun shot...the episode then ends showing us that Jesus ninja'd up on the bad guys and killed them...or that is where the cliff hanger could have been...did the bad guys just kill the girls??? Nope...next episode...Jesus saved the day proving he is BA.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Morgan can keep mumbling about the sanctity of life for all I care, just do it off camera. Every scene with him is like sitting through a teeth cleaning after 10 years of neglect. It may be necessary, but get it over with and give me my lolly!

I cant wait until Morgan's pacifism gets him bit and when he turns into a walker Carol stabs him in the eye with own crappy broomstick.

[J Diddy]

Originally Posted by RW99

A jail cell like the one he was in.

So is he going to put Carol in this cell?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by J Diddy

So is he going to put Carol in this cell?

I think hes going to put himself in it. He is the one thing that doesnt fit.

And while Cali is saying that Morgan is now the sole voice of pacifism and questioning morality, and to a degree hes right, this show is all about Moral flexibility.

Many of the characters have shown that they can alternate between being compassionate and ruthless as the case may warrant. The difference is that they're typically cautiously pessimistic until proven otherwise whereas Morgan wants to always show up at the door with flowers and a gift basket.

[Stud_McCool]

Personally, I'd prefer Rosita over Sasha. Abraham is a true player.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Locke

I think hes going to put himself in it. He is the one thing that doesnt fit.

And while Cali is saying that Morgan is now the sole voice of pacifism and questioning morality, and to a degree hes right, this show is all about Moral flexibility.

Many of the characters have shown that they can alternate between being compassionate and ruthless as the case may warrant. The difference is that they're typically cautiously pessimistic until proven otherwise whereas Morgan wants to always show up at the door with flowers and a gift basket.

I don't read it that way. I just think he believes that people should be given the opportunity to choose a different path, one that doesn't involve unnecessarily killing other human beings. Conflicts may still happen, and he won't allow someone to kill him or his friends, but he maintains it as a last resort. I sympathize with him quite a bit actually. While there are plenty and plenty of baddies in this universe, we have also seen a tremendous capacity for good in the face of overwhelming ugliness and despair. I think he's gone full circle at a much more rapid pace than the rest of humanity, and the rest of the group has yet to catch up with where he's at. Morgan has already gone to the darkest part of his soul and come out the other side. The main group has yet to fully access that dark part, so they can't see how fruitless their current path is, in that it will always lead to more death and destruction of living human beings. In a world where human life is growing more and more scarce, Morgan isn't wrong to try and preserve it in the hopes that more and more will see the light and understand that the only way anyone makes it is if they ALL make it.

Consider that this is the first time that Rick's group has been the aggressor in a completely unprovoked way (ok, the road confrontation aside). It's a bit of a leap to assume that they need to do this for survival. Just because they haven't grown a lot of food yet doesn't mean that they couldn't co-opt systems from the Hilltoppers and reproduce food the way they have. All it takes is 1-2 extra animals for livestock raising. Crop production can be sorted out with engineering and technical know-how. Rick's group has everything it needs to be self-sustaining except for food, and instead of figuring that part out themselves, they are simply replacing Negan's group in a protection racket of the Hilltoppers. They assume that they couldn't repel Negan's group simply because the Hilltoppers couldn't, but the Alexandrians have a host of warriors that have proven their worth, plus a substantial arsenal. It's short-sighted to attack Negan's group, and it's a plan focused on aggression rather than real necessity. I think we will see just how short-sighted it was in the coming episodes.

I find Morgan's character infinitely interesting, and I would be very sad if he were offed in an unceremonious manner. Much like Herschel, this group has lacked a moral compass beyond what Rick suggests for a long time. Even people like Glenn are doing things that they don't want to do and have serious moral objections to. Mark my words, Morgan's speeches aren't just to hear himself speak. He's going to be proven as a voice of wisdom at some point.

[Radio]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Second, they apparently took all night dealing with this, coming out in the morning with the sun well up... looking through cars, presumably they loaded up the guns... in all that time no one thought to say, "hey... where are Carol and Maggie"?

The plan, as laid out by Rick, was to attack just before dawn, when the guards would be most tired and everyone would be in their deepest sleep. So it's reasonable to think that after sweeping the place and gathering everything that it is 8-10 AM. Virginia in the summer, the sun would be well up.

As for Carol & Maggie, yeah you're right there...I am sure you'd want to check in and let them know how you are and find out how they are.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

I don't read it that way. I just think he believes that people should be given the opportunity to choose a different path, one that doesn't involve unnecessarily killing other human beings. Conflicts may still happen, and he won't allow someone to kill him or his friends, but he maintains it as a last resort. I sympathize with him quite a bit actually. While there are plenty and plenty of baddies in this universe, we have also seen a tremendous capacity for good in the face of overwhelming ugliness and despair. I think he's gone full circle at a much more rapid pace than the rest of humanity, and the rest of the group has yet to catch up with where he's at. Morgan has already gone to the darkest part of his soul and come out the other side. The main group has yet to fully access that dark part, so they can't see how fruitless their current path is, in that it will always lead to more death and destruction of living human beings. In a world where human life is growing more and more scarce, Morgan isn't wrong to try and preserve it in the hopes that more and more will see the light and understand that the only way anyone makes it is if they ALL make it.

Consider that this is the first time that Rick's group has been the aggressor in a completely unprovoked way (ok, the road confrontation aside). It's a bit of a leap to assume that they need to do this for survival. Just because they haven't grown a lot of food yet doesn't mean that they couldn't co-opt systems from the Hilltoppers and reproduce food the way they have. All it takes is 1-2 extra animals for livestock raising. Crop production can be sorted out with engineering and technical know-how. Rick's group has everything it needs to be self-sustaining except for food, and instead of figuring that part out themselves, they are simply replacing Negan's group in a protection racket of the Hilltoppers. They assume that they couldn't repel Negan's group simply because the Hilltoppers couldn't, but the Alexandrians have a host of warriors that have proven their worth, plus a substantial arsenal. It's short-sighted to attack Negan's group, and it's a plan focused on aggression rather than real necessity. I think we will see just how short-sighted it was in the coming episodes.

I find Morgan's character infinitely interesting, and I would be very sad if he were offed in an unceremonious manner. Much like Herschel, this group has lacked a moral compass beyond what Rick suggests for a long time. Even people like Glenn are doing things that they don't want to do and have serious moral objections to. Mark my words, Morgan's speeches aren't just to hear himself speak. He's going to be proven as a voice of wisdom at some point.

I hear what you're saying but the fact of the matter is that this is a world where the value of life has dipped to zero if not lower.

He wants to give people the benefit of the doubt and allow them to prove their good intentions.

We've seen it, 9 times out of 10 that that ain't happening. You give someone that chance and you'll be picking their knife out of your ribs.

Morgan is just lucky, hes only experienced this on a very small scale, at the personal level. Hes holding an ideal higher than life or death practicality and hes endangering himself and moreover hes endangering others.

He isnt dealing with the world as it is with any responsibility to anyone or anything other than his ideal.

And the fact of the matter remains that right now his ass gets to live because someone else is willing to get their hands dirty so that he can keep his clean. Eventually Rick and Co. are going to get tired of saving his ass despite his kicking and screaming.

No one is going to make it unless everyone makes it?

Thats just not going to work. I see it more as 'no one is going to make it unless only the right people make it.'

And the wrong people? They have to be removed like a cancer. Surgically if necessary.

[OutOfTheCube]

Originally Posted by J Diddy

I would have preferred it if they made us think the episode was going to end with a cliff hanger after the girls are caught...but instead, after you hear the bad guys say they have the girls, you hear over the walkie talkie someone choking on their blood and then a gun shot...the episode then ends showing us that Jesus ninja'd up on the bad guys and killed them...or that is where the cliff hanger could have been...did the bad guys just kill the girls??? Nope...next episode...Jesus saved the day proving he is BA.

...What? Did I miss something? What I saw just had a voice say "We have a Carol and a Maggie here" -- then shots of Rick and Glen looking really pissed/distraught. And end of episode.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Maybe he watched the "scenes from next week" and just spoiled it for us.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Maybe he watched the "scenes from next week" and just spoiled it for us.

He did, but it was on the Talking Dead.

Do you guys not watch that? Is that out of bounds?

[J Diddy]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

...What? Did I miss something? What I saw just had a voice say "We have a Carol and a Maggie here" -- then shots of Rick and Glen looking really pissed/distraught. And end of episode.

I'm sure my post is poorly written...not sure what you think I spoiled...I did not watch next weeks preview or watch the talking dead...was just saying what I wanted to happen instead of what did happen at the end.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

EDIT: Oh. Carry on.